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Getting a job at helpdesk for an ISP was definitely my ticket out of poverty, but I'm in Spain though. Im not wealthy, but I almost ended homeless, with no edu

Getting a job at helpdesk for an ISP was definitely my ticket out of poverty, but I'm in Spain though. Im not wealthy, but I almost ended homeless, with no education. I was probably on track to jail. Quite different situation. I've seen many people I knew fail though. The most difficult thing when you have no money and nobody cares at you is making the right decisions and having the right information. Ive used all sorts of state aid and counseling, and it was terrible beyond belief. Not only the absurd hoops you have to make for basically anything, with processes more costly than the handed ait itself, but the terrible advice they give, maybe because many of this people gives zero fucks. It didn't help to have a penis and be straight. So in the end, after all the safety net stuff it was this ISP who saved my life. I got stable income, and an understanding of how a semi competetent big org works, and how the lives of normal people look like.

commandlinefan 5y ago
> state aid and counseling, and it was terrible beyond belief And disturbingly, the most common answer to poverty is - more state aid and counseling.
- alan-hn 5y ago
  Not all state aid and counseling is the same We could make it not suck, but that would take effort
- orwin 5y ago
  Harder state aid and counseling* The issue is that if it takes you ten to twenty hours a week to get your state aid, you cannot put those hour towards a "productive" behavior (looking for a job/for a formation). And worse, sometime state aid is linked to formation. Its usually quite okay, almost good, for ten years, and then the regulatory capture and the market consolidation make the formation business both profitable for the owners AND worthless for the attendants. Until the state break the oligopolies (or tries too) and then it reverts to okay for five to ten years. If you get lucky, you fall into the few years where the formation is good, if not, you can only pray you have familly support, or off yourself/drink yourself to death. My mother if forming caretaker/home helpers/nurse assistants (don't really know the real translation) since 2007 in France, and saw the degradation of the formation level, then the quick shake up in 2015 when our president re-liberalized this market, then the fast drop off with the market consolidation (Covid only made the consolidation quicker and definitely did not help). If you were formed in 2007-2010 or between 2016-2018, you probably had an okay-ish formation (although the formation was way more complete and included way more advanced knowledge in 2007, especially in nutrition, technical gestures and hygiene than it did in 2016.) Half of my mother students in 2007 and 2008 became nurses by the way. It did diminish to one third in 2009 and 2010, and since then i think she had two girls becoming nurses. I know it is a conspiracy theory, but it really feel for her that this is a wish of our governments to have less capable caretakers and keep the ration caretaker/nurse as high as possible, since nurses expect to be paid at least three time as much.

commandlinefan 5y ago

> state aid and counseling, and it was terrible beyond belief And disturbingly, the most common answer to poverty is - more state aid and counseling.

alan-hn 5y ago
Not all state aid and counseling is the same We could make it not suck, but that would take effort
orwin 5y ago
Harder state aid and counseling* The issue is that if it takes you ten to twenty hours a week to get your state aid, you cannot put those hour towards a "productive" behavior (looking for a job/for a formation). And worse, sometime state aid is linked to formation. Its usually quite okay, almost good, for ten years, and then the regulatory capture and the market consolidation make the formation business both profitable for the owners AND worthless for the attendants. Until the state break the oligopolies (or tries too) and then it reverts to okay for five to ten years. If you get lucky, you fall into the few years where the formation is good, if not, you can only pray you have familly support, or off yourself/drink yourself to death. My mother if forming caretaker/home helpers/nurse assistants (don't really know the real translation) since 2007 in France, and saw the degradation of the formation level, then the quick shake up in 2015 when our president re-liberalized this market, then the fast drop off with the market consolidation (Covid only made the consolidation quicker and definitely did not help). If you were formed in 2007-2010 or between 2016-2018, you probably had an okay-ish formation (although the formation was way more complete and included way more advanced knowledge in 2007, especially in nutrition, technical gestures and hygiene than it did in 2016.) Half of my mother students in 2007 and 2008 became nurses by the way. It did diminish to one third in 2009 and 2010, and since then i think she had two girls becoming nurses. I know it is a conspiracy theory, but it really feel for her that this is a wish of our governments to have less capable caretakers and keep the ration caretaker/nurse as high as possible, since nurses expect to be paid at least three time as much.