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> What would be the point of getting a vaccine for something you're already immune to? The immunity can wane and the virus can mutate[0]. Same reason you would

by nimih 5y ago

> What would be the point of getting a vaccine for something you're already immune to? The immunity can wane and the virus can mutate[0]. Same reason you would get a shingles vaccine or a yearly flu shot. [0] Admittedly, this isn't relevant to COVID-19 yet as the vaccine hasn't been updated AFAIK, but it's probably useful to keep in mind going forward when evaluating your own personal situation/risk, and when trying to understand public policy decisions.

etherael 5y ago
I can understand if it mutates to the point of circumventing the original immunity and there's a new vaccine variant to address that specific mutation but as you yourself point out, that doesn't apply here, so I don't get it?
nradov 5y ago
That is misinformation. While there can be benefits to vaccination after infection, recovery from infection does produce durable cellular immunity in the vast majority of patients. Antibody levels always wane over time, but there's more to immunity than antibodies. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated but the reasons to get a COVID-19 vaccine have really nothing to do with the reasons to get a shingles vaccine. Shingles is caused by the varicella herpesvirus which remains dormant in the body even after the acute infection has cleared. That virus works in a completely different way than SARS-CoV-2.
- nimih 5y ago
  Given that I don't know anything about how antibodies and T-cells and all that jazz work and I don't plan on listening to a 2:40hr podcast to learn what some dude on the internet thinks about it, all I can say is that there appears to be research demonstrating that the COVID-19 vaccine has real benefit to people who already contracted the actual virus[0], which make's my government's advice that folks in that situation still get vaccinated[1] seem pretty reasonable. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM63289&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20August%206%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM63289 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
  - User23 5y ago
    Dr. Attia is very much within the medical mainstream. The CDC resources you linked are, frankly, for persuading ignorant people, and not really appropriate to a site devoted to satisfying intellectual curiosity. I'm also uncertain what exactly you're trying to convey by admitting total ignorance and blind faith in a US government agency. Is that supposed to convince curious people you have something interesting to say?
    - nimih 5y ago
      > I'm also uncertain what exactly you're trying to convey by admitting total ignorance and blind faith in a US government agency. I believe it's important to consider the recommendations of experts as well as the evidence they claim warrants those recommendations. That's why I linked directly to both the recommendation itself (that's the second link, titled "FAQ"), as well as the evidence which (in my estimation) credibly backs it up (that's the first link, titled "Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021").
  - nradov 5y ago
    The podcast linked above is not "some dude on the internet". It is a panel discussion by several physicians including Dr. Monica Gandhi, one of the country's leading experts on infectious diseases. Definitely worth the time to listen if you want to understand what's really happening with the pandemic. Nothing in my comment contradicted CDC guidelines.
    - nimih 5y ago
      I think I misread your post originally, and appreciate the correction. My apologies.
beefbudd69 5y ago
>The immunity can wane and the virus can mutate. Same reason you would get a shingles vaccine or a yearly flu shot. aren't the current mrna vaccines based on the old 2019 variant of covid?
- nimih 5y ago
  If you read exactly one additional sentence from my post you will see an acknowledgement of that very fact, as well as my justification for bringing up that line of reasoning in the first place. :)

by nimih 5y ago

etherael 5y ago

I can understand if it mutates to the point of circumventing the original immunity and there's a new vaccine variant to address that specific mutation but as you yourself point out, that doesn't apply here, so I don't get it?

nradov 5y ago

That is misinformation. While there can be benefits to vaccination after infection, recovery from infection does produce durable cellular immunity in the vast majority of patients. Antibody levels always wane over time, but there's more to immunity than antibodies. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated but the reasons to get a COVID-19 vaccine have really nothing to do with the reasons to get a shingles vaccine. Shingles is caused by the varicella herpesvirus which remains dormant in the body even after the acute infection has cleared. That virus works in a completely different way than SARS-CoV-2.

nimih 5y ago
Given that I don't know anything about how antibodies and T-cells and all that jazz work and I don't plan on listening to a 2:40hr podcast to learn what some dude on the internet thinks about it, all I can say is that there appears to be research demonstrating that the COVID-19 vaccine has real benefit to people who already contracted the actual virus[0], which make's my government's advice that folks in that situation still get vaccinated[1] seem pretty reasonable. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM63289&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20August%206%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM63289 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
- User23 5y ago
  Dr. Attia is very much within the medical mainstream. The CDC resources you linked are, frankly, for persuading ignorant people, and not really appropriate to a site devoted to satisfying intellectual curiosity. I'm also uncertain what exactly you're trying to convey by admitting total ignorance and blind faith in a US government agency. Is that supposed to convince curious people you have something interesting to say?
  - nimih 5y ago
    > I'm also uncertain what exactly you're trying to convey by admitting total ignorance and blind faith in a US government agency. I believe it's important to consider the recommendations of experts as well as the evidence they claim warrants those recommendations. That's why I linked directly to both the recommendation itself (that's the second link, titled "FAQ"), as well as the evidence which (in my estimation) credibly backs it up (that's the first link, titled "Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021").
- nradov 5y ago
  The podcast linked above is not "some dude on the internet". It is a panel discussion by several physicians including Dr. Monica Gandhi, one of the country's leading experts on infectious diseases. Definitely worth the time to listen if you want to understand what's really happening with the pandemic. Nothing in my comment contradicted CDC guidelines.
  - nimih 5y ago
    I think I misread your post originally, and appreciate the correction. My apologies.

beefbudd69 5y ago

>The immunity can wane and the virus can mutate. Same reason you would get a shingles vaccine or a yearly flu shot. aren't the current mrna vaccines based on the old 2019 variant of covid?

nimih 5y ago
If you read exactly one additional sentence from my post you will see an acknowledgement of that very fact, as well as my justification for bringing up that line of reasoning in the first place. :)