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Why? They said they already had it which means they'd now have natural immunity. What would be the point of getting a vaccine for something you're already immun

Why? They said they already had it which means they'd now have natural immunity. What would be the point of getting a vaccine for something you're already immune to? Am I missing something here?

hammock 4y ago
We aren't sure how long natural immunity lasts for.
- mzvkxlcvd 4y ago
  well the amazing vaccine at best works for 4 months, if that. considering i've recently had covid with minimal issue, i'll take my chances with natural immunity.
- nradov 4y ago
  Immunity is not a binary condition. It's not as if immunity, whether produced by vaccination or recovery from infection, lasts a certain period and then stops. While I would encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, all the scientific evidence we have from similar viruses indicates that recovery from infection produces a significant level of cellular immunity lasting as long as the patient's immune system remains basically healthy. Concerns about waning immunity were mainly based on antibody levels, but of course those aren't very important. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/
- kbelder 4y ago
  It may be short term, but it's probably as long or longer than the immunity from the vaccine. That's an argument for scheduling repeat vaccinations... but it needs to be looked at in the context of a lifetime. A recurring shot every year or few years may be feasible. Every three months is not.
memish 4y ago
- TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago
  That's why Big Pharma still forces us to get a Chicken Pox vaccine every year! Oh wait, they don't? You can still get infected with SARS-CoV-2 even if you have before, and you should still be vaccinated. https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-gett...
  - memish 4y ago
    If you're old or obese, yes. If you're young and healthy, no. As for Big Pharma, it's strange so many people are defending an industry well known for committing crimes against humanity. In recent history. The opioid crisis is still playing out, for one.
    - TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago
      > If you're young and healthy, no. ...unless you have concern for spreading disease. Some only think of themselves. > it's strange so many people are defending an industry That is strange, who are these people defending the industry at large? I'm recommending getting vaccinated against diseases, not the Sackler family. This is a comment thread about COVID.
      - memish 4y ago
        You're right, that's veering off topic. Back to Covid. The vaccine doesn't stop spread. We've known this for a long time now, but here's a fresh example just last weekend: Seventy-two people have tested positive for Covid-19 after having attended the Gridiron Dinner in Washington last weekend, including members of the Biden administration and reporters. Gridiron Club President Tom DeFrank said Sunday that the group had reported 72 cases out of the hundreds of people who attended. New York Mayor Eric Adams, who was also at the dinner, tested positive Sunday. It was the first Gridiron Dinner since 2019, before the pandemic, and guests were required to show proof of vaccination, DeFrank said. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/67-attendees-test-positive-covid-high-profile-dc-dinner-rcna23763 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/67-attendees-...
nimih 4y ago
> What would be the point of getting a vaccine for something you're already immune to? The immunity can wane and the virus can mutate[0]. Same reason you would get a shingles vaccine or a yearly flu shot. [0] Admittedly, this isn't relevant to COVID-19 yet as the vaccine hasn't been updated AFAIK, but it's probably useful to keep in mind going forward when evaluating your own personal situation/risk, and when trying to understand public policy decisions.
- etherael 4y ago
  I can understand if it mutates to the point of circumventing the original immunity and there's a new vaccine variant to address that specific mutation but as you yourself point out, that doesn't apply here, so I don't get it?
- nradov 4y ago
  That is misinformation. While there can be benefits to vaccination after infection, recovery from infection does produce durable cellular immunity in the vast majority of patients. Antibody levels always wane over time, but there's more to immunity than antibodies. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated but the reasons to get a COVID-19 vaccine have really nothing to do with the reasons to get a shingles vaccine. Shingles is caused by the varicella herpesvirus which remains dormant in the body even after the acute infection has cleared. That virus works in a completely different way than SARS-CoV-2.
  - nimih 4y ago
    Given that I don't know anything about how antibodies and T-cells and all that jazz work and I don't plan on listening to a 2:40hr podcast to learn what some dude on the internet thinks about it, all I can say is that there appears to be research demonstrating that the COVID-19 vaccine has real benefit to people who already contracted the actual virus[0], which make's my government's advice that folks in that situation still get vaccinated[1] seem pretty reasonable. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM63289&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20August%206%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM63289 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
wccrawford 4y ago
I read a study the other day that showed that the third best thing for Covid protection is vaccination. The second best is having had it already. And the best was both. Even if you've already had it, getting the vaccine as well drastically reduces your chances of being serious ill with Covid. And it's free, so why not get that extra protection?

Why? They said they already had it which means they'd now have natural immunity. What would be the point of getting a vaccine for something you're already immune to? Am I missing something here?

hammock 4y ago

We aren't sure how long natural immunity lasts for.

mzvkxlcvd 4y ago
well the amazing vaccine at best works for 4 months, if that. considering i've recently had covid with minimal issue, i'll take my chances with natural immunity.
nradov 4y ago
Immunity is not a binary condition. It's not as if immunity, whether produced by vaccination or recovery from infection, lasts a certain period and then stops. While I would encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, all the scientific evidence we have from similar viruses indicates that recovery from infection produces a significant level of cellular immunity lasting as long as the patient's immune system remains basically healthy. Concerns about waning immunity were mainly based on antibody levels, but of course those aren't very important. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/
kbelder 4y ago
It may be short term, but it's probably as long or longer than the immunity from the vaccine. That's an argument for scheduling repeat vaccinations... but it needs to be looked at in the context of a lifetime. A recurring shot every year or few years may be feasible. Every three months is not.

memish 4y ago

TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago
That's why Big Pharma still forces us to get a Chicken Pox vaccine every year! Oh wait, they don't? You can still get infected with SARS-CoV-2 even if you have before, and you should still be vaccinated. https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some https://www.science.org/content/article/more-people-are-gett...
- memish 4y ago
  If you're old or obese, yes. If you're young and healthy, no. As for Big Pharma, it's strange so many people are defending an industry well known for committing crimes against humanity. In recent history. The opioid crisis is still playing out, for one.
  - TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago
    > If you're young and healthy, no. ...unless you have concern for spreading disease. Some only think of themselves. > it's strange so many people are defending an industry That is strange, who are these people defending the industry at large? I'm recommending getting vaccinated against diseases, not the Sackler family. This is a comment thread about COVID.
    - memish 4y ago
      You're right, that's veering off topic. Back to Covid. The vaccine doesn't stop spread. We've known this for a long time now, but here's a fresh example just last weekend: Seventy-two people have tested positive for Covid-19 after having attended the Gridiron Dinner in Washington last weekend, including members of the Biden administration and reporters. Gridiron Club President Tom DeFrank said Sunday that the group had reported 72 cases out of the hundreds of people who attended. New York Mayor Eric Adams, who was also at the dinner, tested positive Sunday. It was the first Gridiron Dinner since 2019, before the pandemic, and guests were required to show proof of vaccination, DeFrank said. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/67-attendees-test-positive-covid-high-profile-dc-dinner-rcna23763 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/67-attendees-...

nimih 4y ago

> What would be the point of getting a vaccine for something you're already immune to? The immunity can wane and the virus can mutate[0]. Same reason you would get a shingles vaccine or a yearly flu shot. [0] Admittedly, this isn't relevant to COVID-19 yet as the vaccine hasn't been updated AFAIK, but it's probably useful to keep in mind going forward when evaluating your own personal situation/risk, and when trying to understand public policy decisions.

etherael 4y ago
I can understand if it mutates to the point of circumventing the original immunity and there's a new vaccine variant to address that specific mutation but as you yourself point out, that doesn't apply here, so I don't get it?
nradov 4y ago
That is misinformation. While there can be benefits to vaccination after infection, recovery from infection does produce durable cellular immunity in the vast majority of patients. Antibody levels always wane over time, but there's more to immunity than antibodies. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated but the reasons to get a COVID-19 vaccine have really nothing to do with the reasons to get a shingles vaccine. Shingles is caused by the varicella herpesvirus which remains dormant in the body even after the acute infection has cleared. That virus works in a completely different way than SARS-CoV-2.
- nimih 4y ago
  Given that I don't know anything about how antibodies and T-cells and all that jazz work and I don't plan on listening to a 2:40hr podcast to learn what some dude on the internet thinks about it, all I can say is that there appears to be research demonstrating that the COVID-19 vaccine has real benefit to people who already contracted the actual virus[0], which make's my government's advice that folks in that situation still get vaccinated[1] seem pretty reasonable. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM63289&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20August%206%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM63289 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

wccrawford 4y ago

I read a study the other day that showed that the third best thing for Covid protection is vaccination. The second best is having had it already. And the best was both. Even if you've already had it, getting the vaccine as well drastically reduces your chances of being serious ill with Covid. And it's free, so why not get that extra protection?