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Nobody wants China to get away with their camps, but no one wants the US to get away with Guantanamo Bay, either. > That's not the same as putting people into

Nobody wants China to get away with their camps, but no one wants the US to get away with Guantanamo Bay, either. > That's not the same as putting people into prison because their religious beliefs make them enemies of the state. Isn't this what some people ended up in Guantanamo Bay for? Edit: TIL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_detainees_at_Guantanamo...

BobbyJo 5y ago
No. It's not. In some instances people were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or treated poorly based on pretty minor actions, but even at it's height Guantanamo housed < 1000 people. If we were sweeping up any an all Islamists I'd expect a good deal more than that. Also, the U.S. didn't 'get away with' Guantanamo. It was a big news cycle and the prison is nearly shut down now, and operates with much more consideration for the prisoners, giving them access to counsel and repatriating then when able.
- blueflow 5y ago
  > housed < 1000 people Normal numbers are zero. > Also, the U.S. didn't 'get away with' Guantanamo Who ended up in prison for it?
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    > Normal numbers are zero. Name a government that hasn't abused it's power at one point. Not sure what your definition of normal is in this instance. > Who ended up in prison for it? I'd be ok if China simply stopped what they are doing without sending anyone to prison. To answer your question though, no one. It's hard to prosecute individuals for an organization's failings without dismantling the organization, which is the US military in this case. The best we can hope for is fixes to prevent such abuses inches future, which we got. Many Americans, myself included, wish some people were put away, and also sincerely hope that the perpetrators of abuses in Xinjiang find similar ends.
    - blueflow 5y ago
      I'd be okay if the US simply stopped invading some countries or toppling random governments every 5 years. Many people of the rest of the world wish for the responsible US politicians to be put away. I hope the American perpetrators find similar ends. Its an awful kind of mockery to see the US displaying themselves as the hand of justice in the Xinjiang situation. I wish countries like the Netherlands or Switzerland would do it instead, their hands are much, much cleaner. This is the same kind of mockery as having Saudi Arabia on the UN panel for womens rights.
      - BobbyJo 5y ago
        > I'd be okay if the US simply stopped invading some countries or toppling random governments every 5 years. Me too, not sure what that has to do with anything. > Many people of the rest of the world wish for the responsible US politicians to be put away. I hope the American perpetrators find similar ends. ok? Not sure where that fits in though. > Its an awful kind of mockery to see the US displaying themselves as the hand of justice in the Xinjiang situation. I wish countries like the Netherlands or Switzerland would do it instead, their hands are much, much cleaner. If you consider doing nothing at all about bad things happening clean, then sure. Also, your diction leads me to believe you are Chinese yourself, so maybe a little bias? > This is the same kind of mockery as having Saudi Arabia on the UN panel for womens rights. The US doesn't have over a million people in a concentration camp right now, so I don't see the similarity.
        tablespoon 5y ago
        >> I'd be okay if the US simply stopped invading some countries or toppling random governments every 5 years. > Me too, not sure what that has to do with anything. Nothing about the topic at hand. It's a distraction, an OT axe to grind, or both.
        blueflow 5y ago
VictorPath 5y ago
> Guantanamo Bay Other than that the US kidnaps people from various countries, often without approval of the country where the kidnapping happens, brings the rebel (patriot?) to Guantanamo Bay without even trial by US legal system and waterboards and tortures them and holds them indefinitely - although some are realized to be the wrong identity and let go - there is another point... ...Cuba has denounced the US military occupation of Guantanamo Bay for decades, and requested the US to leave. So this is happening against the wishes of the country it is happening in.
- IncRnd 5y ago
  > ...Cuba has denounced the US military occupation of Guantanamo Bay for decades, and requested the US to leave. So this is happening against the wishes of the country it is happening in. It's not a military occupation in the sense you imply. It is a perpetual lease made between the US and Cuba. [1] [1] https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/ns_guantanamo_bay/about/history.html https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/ns_gua...
  - ATsch 5y ago
    See, it's not an occupation, it's a "perpetual lease". That I happen to enforce with my army. And we didn't steal that land, they kindly gave it to us. When we held a gun up to their heads and made them sign a document they did not understand. Oh, and these aren't slaves, they're workers. Who happen to be on an unbreakable contract. (and also, how could I forget, "these Uighurs aren't prisoners, they're just people who, realizing their mistakes, kindly happened to voluntarily come here for education")
    - IncRnd 5y ago
      Please quit trolling. Your comment is disconnected from anything I wrote.
      - blueflow 5y ago
        Please quit your US newspeak.

BobbyJo 5y ago

No. It's not. In some instances people were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or treated poorly based on pretty minor actions, but even at it's height Guantanamo housed < 1000 people. If we were sweeping up any an all Islamists I'd expect a good deal more than that. Also, the U.S. didn't 'get away with' Guantanamo. It was a big news cycle and the prison is nearly shut down now, and operates with much more consideration for the prisoners, giving them access to counsel and repatriating then when able.

blueflow 5y ago
> housed < 1000 people Normal numbers are zero. > Also, the U.S. didn't 'get away with' Guantanamo Who ended up in prison for it?
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  > Normal numbers are zero. Name a government that hasn't abused it's power at one point. Not sure what your definition of normal is in this instance. > Who ended up in prison for it? I'd be ok if China simply stopped what they are doing without sending anyone to prison. To answer your question though, no one. It's hard to prosecute individuals for an organization's failings without dismantling the organization, which is the US military in this case. The best we can hope for is fixes to prevent such abuses inches future, which we got. Many Americans, myself included, wish some people were put away, and also sincerely hope that the perpetrators of abuses in Xinjiang find similar ends.
  - blueflow 5y ago
    I'd be okay if the US simply stopped invading some countries or toppling random governments every 5 years. Many people of the rest of the world wish for the responsible US politicians to be put away. I hope the American perpetrators find similar ends. Its an awful kind of mockery to see the US displaying themselves as the hand of justice in the Xinjiang situation. I wish countries like the Netherlands or Switzerland would do it instead, their hands are much, much cleaner. This is the same kind of mockery as having Saudi Arabia on the UN panel for womens rights.
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      > I'd be okay if the US simply stopped invading some countries or toppling random governments every 5 years. Me too, not sure what that has to do with anything. > Many people of the rest of the world wish for the responsible US politicians to be put away. I hope the American perpetrators find similar ends. ok? Not sure where that fits in though. > Its an awful kind of mockery to see the US displaying themselves as the hand of justice in the Xinjiang situation. I wish countries like the Netherlands or Switzerland would do it instead, their hands are much, much cleaner. If you consider doing nothing at all about bad things happening clean, then sure. Also, your diction leads me to believe you are Chinese yourself, so maybe a little bias? > This is the same kind of mockery as having Saudi Arabia on the UN panel for womens rights. The US doesn't have over a million people in a concentration camp right now, so I don't see the similarity.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        >> I'd be okay if the US simply stopped invading some countries or toppling random governments every 5 years. > Me too, not sure what that has to do with anything. Nothing about the topic at hand. It's a distraction, an OT axe to grind, or both.
      - blueflow 5y ago

VictorPath 5y ago

> Guantanamo Bay Other than that the US kidnaps people from various countries, often without approval of the country where the kidnapping happens, brings the rebel (patriot?) to Guantanamo Bay without even trial by US legal system and waterboards and tortures them and holds them indefinitely - although some are realized to be the wrong identity and let go - there is another point... ...Cuba has denounced the US military occupation of Guantanamo Bay for decades, and requested the US to leave. So this is happening against the wishes of the country it is happening in.

IncRnd 5y ago
> ...Cuba has denounced the US military occupation of Guantanamo Bay for decades, and requested the US to leave. So this is happening against the wishes of the country it is happening in. It's not a military occupation in the sense you imply. It is a perpetual lease made between the US and Cuba. [1] [1] https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/ns_guantanamo_bay/about/history.html https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/ns_gua...
- ATsch 5y ago
  See, it's not an occupation, it's a "perpetual lease". That I happen to enforce with my army. And we didn't steal that land, they kindly gave it to us. When we held a gun up to their heads and made them sign a document they did not understand. Oh, and these aren't slaves, they're workers. Who happen to be on an unbreakable contract. (and also, how could I forget, "these Uighurs aren't prisoners, they're just people who, realizing their mistakes, kindly happened to voluntarily come here for education")
  - IncRnd 5y ago
    Please quit trolling. Your comment is disconnected from anything I wrote.
    - blueflow 5y ago
      Please quit your US newspeak.