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They are discontinuing on prem after 2022 though. What is your plan if not to migrate to their SaaS offering?

planb 5y ago
We will probably bite the sour apple (not sure if this is correct English but you’ll get the meaning even if it’s not) and switch to the data center edition which is still on prem but costs approximately twice as much.
- MandieD 5y ago
  A bit from the Boom Chicago show I saw in Amsterdam around 2004: “The Dutch expression ‘bite the sour apple’ means the same thing as ‘bite the bullet’ - Americans are obsessed with guns, and the Netherlands is full of shitty food.”
  - IncRnd 5y ago
    > Americans are obsessed with guns, and the Netherlands is full of shitty food. "Bite the Bullet" is a phrase from an Englishman, Rudyard Kipling, in his first novel, "The Light That Failed". It's believed to have come from the other English idioms, "to bite the cartridge" and "chew a bullet", which date back to 1891 and at least 1796. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bite_the_bullet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bite_the_bullet
  - 9935c101ab17a66 5y ago
    Weird... As another commenter pointed out, the origin of 'bite the bullet' is not American at all. And 'biting the sour apple' doesn't imply an affinity for bad food (Apples are shitty? Really?). It's a metaphor about context necessitating action, not a celebration of consuming unpleasant foods.
- gpm 5y ago
  > not sure if this is correct English but you’ll get the meaning even if it’s not Not an idiom I'm familiar with, but it's grammatically correct and clear so I'd count it as proper. "Bite the bullet" is commonly used.
- netsharc 5y ago
  You can probably use this 1 week (3 scheduled) outage to ask for a discount, "your cloud offering is a bucket of shit, your data center edition is too expensive, my higher-ups told me to find something else...".
- IncRnd 5y ago
  You can say, "bite the bullet", which means you accept the the difficulties you know will arise. It's actually a perfect idiom for this case.
uuyi 5y ago
Everyone should say no. That'd change their policy pretty quickly.
oldshatterhand 5y ago
Switching platforms
crawl_soever 5y ago
What are disconnected customers going to do? Surely they won't cut off the entire US military and DoD by terminating that cash cow of on premises.
- bobnamob 5y ago
  They’re still offering on-prem for airgapped usecases afaik. It’s just become a “contact us” pricing plan
  - joshuaissac 5y ago
    It is not a "contact us" pricing plan. The Data Center prices are publicly available on their website. It is more than twice as expensive as the Server offering, but still substantially cheaper than Cloud for the same number of users. And it is the exact same software as Server with some extras enabled like support for multiple nodes, so upgrading to it is as simple as pasting in a new product key.
    - tatersolid 5y ago
      > so upgrading to it is as simple as pasting in a new product key You’ve never actually had to update an on-premise JIRA instance yourself, I presume?
- mrweasel 5y ago
  You can still buy datacenter edition, and some of us are forced to do so, if we wish to continue to use Jira and Confluence. For us it's not a problem, we're heavily invested in the Atlassian suite of product, and sell consulting, so we get a significant discount. For some of our clients it's a massive problem, as Atlassian cannot promise them that data won't leave the country, if fact it's certain that it will, because there's no AWS datacenter within our borders. Atlassian completely ignored the large number of smaller customers who are legally forced to use an on-premise solution. If the software industry was so hell-bent on SaaS there would be a great business oppotunity in creating an on-premise Jira competitor.
noddingham 5y ago
End of support is February 15 2024, not 2022. But your current server licenses are perpetual so you _could_ keep running them.

We will probably bite the sour apple (not sure if this is correct English but you’ll get the meaning even if it’s not) and switch to the data center edition which is still on prem but costs approximately twice as much.

MandieD 5y ago
A bit from the Boom Chicago show I saw in Amsterdam around 2004: “The Dutch expression ‘bite the sour apple’ means the same thing as ‘bite the bullet’ - Americans are obsessed with guns, and the Netherlands is full of shitty food.”
- IncRnd 5y ago
  > Americans are obsessed with guns, and the Netherlands is full of shitty food. "Bite the Bullet" is a phrase from an Englishman, Rudyard Kipling, in his first novel, "The Light That Failed". It's believed to have come from the other English idioms, "to bite the cartridge" and "chew a bullet", which date back to 1891 and at least 1796. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bite_the_bullet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bite_the_bullet
- 9935c101ab17a66 5y ago
  Weird... As another commenter pointed out, the origin of 'bite the bullet' is not American at all. And 'biting the sour apple' doesn't imply an affinity for bad food (Apples are shitty? Really?). It's a metaphor about context necessitating action, not a celebration of consuming unpleasant foods.
gpm 5y ago
> not sure if this is correct English but you’ll get the meaning even if it’s not Not an idiom I'm familiar with, but it's grammatically correct and clear so I'd count it as proper. "Bite the bullet" is commonly used.
netsharc 5y ago
You can probably use this 1 week (3 scheduled) outage to ask for a discount, "your cloud offering is a bucket of shit, your data center edition is too expensive, my higher-ups told me to find something else...".
IncRnd 5y ago
You can say, "bite the bullet", which means you accept the the difficulties you know will arise. It's actually a perfect idiom for this case.

uuyi 5y ago

Everyone should say no. That'd change their policy pretty quickly.

oldshatterhand 5y ago

Switching platforms

crawl_soever 5y ago

What are disconnected customers going to do? Surely they won't cut off the entire US military and DoD by terminating that cash cow of on premises.

bobnamob 5y ago
They’re still offering on-prem for airgapped usecases afaik. It’s just become a “contact us” pricing plan
- joshuaissac 5y ago
  It is not a "contact us" pricing plan. The Data Center prices are publicly available on their website. It is more than twice as expensive as the Server offering, but still substantially cheaper than Cloud for the same number of users. And it is the exact same software as Server with some extras enabled like support for multiple nodes, so upgrading to it is as simple as pasting in a new product key.
  - tatersolid 5y ago
    > so upgrading to it is as simple as pasting in a new product key You’ve never actually had to update an on-premise JIRA instance yourself, I presume?
mrweasel 5y ago
You can still buy datacenter edition, and some of us are forced to do so, if we wish to continue to use Jira and Confluence. For us it's not a problem, we're heavily invested in the Atlassian suite of product, and sell consulting, so we get a significant discount. For some of our clients it's a massive problem, as Atlassian cannot promise them that data won't leave the country, if fact it's certain that it will, because there's no AWS datacenter within our borders. Atlassian completely ignored the large number of smaller customers who are legally forced to use an on-premise solution. If the software industry was so hell-bent on SaaS there would be a great business oppotunity in creating an on-premise Jira competitor.

noddingham 5y ago

End of support is February 15 2024, not 2022. But your current server licenses are perpetual so you _could_ keep running them.