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Duncan Lemp was white, and was similarly awoken in the middle of the night by police, reached for a gun, and was shot dead (unlike Locke, I don't think he even

Duncan Lemp was white, and was similarly awoken in the middle of the night by police, reached for a gun, and was shot dead (unlike Locke, I don't think he even pointed the gun at them). It actually happened the day before the Breonna Taylor shooting (another similar situation), but received almost no media attention. Even around the area where Duncan Lemp was killed, you will find a lot of posters for Breonna Taylor, none for Duncan Lemp. This kind of violence affects everyone. Some people, particularly those in the media, have worked hard to elevate certain shootings while almost completely ignoring others in order to push a specific racial narrative.

Bilal_io 4y ago
I believe Duncan Lemp should have received the media attention he deserves. That being said: 1- You said "This kind of violence affects everyone" and this is disingenuous when we look at the ratio of black vs white being murdered by police. [1] 2- The media attention Breonna et al. received was not about the individuals but for the community in general due to my previous point. [1]https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116
- throwaway040922 4y ago
  > You said "This kind of violence affects everyone" and this is disingenuous when we look at the ratio of black vs white being murdered by police. If you want to argue that this kind of violence affects certain races more, that's fine. But why downplay the fact that it affects all races? The percentages are higher for Black Americans, but White Americans still make up the majority of people shot by police[1]. If people actually cared about creating a broad coalition to address this, they would want to highlight both facts, not hide the latter fact. You actually see the a similar attitude when racists attack social programs. If members of a minority group are more likely to benefit from a program, they treat it as a program for minorities, even if the majority of beneficiaries are non-minorities. It's also interesting to see how people divide the demographic information. If you look at the breakdown by sex, you'll find that the divide between men and women when when it comes to these shootings is much, much greater than the divide between races. Yet the latter is talked about a lot all over the media, and while I don't think I've ever seen the latter treated as an issue. My guess is that we'd also see another large divide if we divided the numbers by wealth (and this article is a good example of that). [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...
  - Clubber 4y ago
    >The percentages are higher for Black Americans, but White Americans still make up the majority of people shot by police[1]. Yes I never understood this tactic. If you really want citizen support (which is required), you need to show that all citizens are subject to this type of injustice. If leaders just say one group is affected and don't show that all citizens are affected, you won't get change as fast, if at all. It's almost as if there is an ulterior motive to actually solving the problem, or perhaps the leadership just won't look past their own environment. Either way, the shiz is way out of hand and everyone should be afraid of it. I remember reading an article where police were serving a warrant and they straight up shot the guy next to his pregnant girlfriend through the window while they were sleeping. They justified it by saying the room was boobytrapped. The guy was staying at his parents house when this occurred. It was very suspect, but I never saw national media attention it deserved, and I find it highly unlikely a kid living with his parents would place a active, lethal booby trap in his bedroom inside his parent's house. It was an actual murder squad. Pretty crazy. I wish I could find the article (it was local.)
    - throwaway040922 4y ago
      Indeed. If I'm advocating for a project that will bring $10 million in to Town A that has a population of 5,000, and $50 million in to Town B with a population of 50,000, I'm going to be telling both Town A and Town B how the project will benefit them. I'm not going to be telling Town B that this project is only for Town A, and it's not an issue that affects Town B. If someone was saying that, you would expect that they'd be advocating against the project. It's hard to believe that anyone who's actively downplaying the way an issue affects the majority of the population is actually interested in solving the issue.
      - bavell 4y ago
        I'm relieved that I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion! It's so annoying and sad listening to all the people out there with good intentions who are failing so hard they actually drive people in the opposite direction. They would further their cause more by removing themselves from the discussion entirely.
- ght 4y ago
  If we are going to bring into account how many African-Americans are being killed by police we need to also bring into account the FBI's violent crime statistics. Blacks made up 56% of known murder offenders. While European Whites were 28% of known murder offenders while making up 60-65% of the population. Remember, African-Americans are only 11% of the population. That is a huge discrepancy that needs to be brought up while discussing the amount of African-Americans killed or arrested by police. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
  - hikingsimulator 4y ago
    https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1390 https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1... Numbers are cool and all, but they can't be divorced from context: intergenerational poverty, police brutality and surveillance, the prison industrial complex. And so on.
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      Correct. And yet, the original comment is strongly implying that the discrepancy is due to contemporary white racism, and not these structural issues you've helpfully pointed out. Issues that certain "white" populations, such as rural Appalachians, also struggle with to similar effect.
  - jmyeet 4y ago
    I'm going to assume good intent here and say you've been sucked into some white supremacist propaganda. This falls under the umbrella of "1350" [1]: > The number 13 used in conjunction with either the number 52 or the number 90 is a shorthand reference to racist propaganda claims by white supremacists against African-Americans to depict them as savage and criminal in nature. If anything, it's evidence of overpolicing. But this continues a centuries-old narrative that black people are violent and white people are a civilizing force. Both of these provided moral cover for slavery. This include religious figures justifying slavery as the slaves were being converted to Christianity and it would save their immortal souls. I hope, for your sake, you can deconstruct this propaganda you've been exposed to. [1]: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1390 https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1...
- antattack 4y ago
  Dismissing others hardship or injustice because theirs is worse seems very counter productive. What is the intention of pointing out that African-Americans have it worse? Should we have special laws only for that group? Or, should more non African-Americans die due to bad laws to balance the scales.
  - Bilal_io 4y ago
    I never dismissed anyone's hardship. Read the first line of my comment again. The intention of pointing that out was in response to a specific comment. Context matters. I want police violence to stop. Period. I want them to be held accountable for their actions. But when an article talks about the way law enforcement treats people of different classes with two different standards, and someone starts complaining that black people are getting more media attention, I feel obligated to reference the reason why, without dismissing anyone's hardship. Again, context.
- AnonCoward4 4y ago
  This is disingenious at best. Looking at the population ratio vs killing makes no sense whatsoever. In that case just use that to justify why men are more often subject to police violence than women. We all know why, but with race there may be no differences ... but there are. In the case of race you can't just ignore that black people do roughly 50% of violent crimes (just look at arson, don't even try to excuse it) and make up 25% of the lethal shootings with police. It's also obvious why the racism is the other way around than some people make it out to be. Every police officer thinks twice to shoot on someone with dark skin because of the media coverage that can and often does take place. With killing white people, even if unjust this is rarely if ever a headline (except you can spin it, like when he helped a PoC).
  - Bilal_io 4y ago
    > black people do roughly 50% of violent crimes Thank you for this information. So do you support the fact that police in this country are working as a judge, jury and executor? I am sorry, but if I were you, I'd be ashamed to use such justification for people's killings. Let's focus on the issue at hand, policing violence is a problem that needs to be addressed, putting the blame on one side or the other because "they're more violent" is not a good start to any serious discussion except to shield police from their actions.
    - AnonCoward4 4y ago
      > I am sorry, but if I were you, I'd be ashamed to use such justification for people's killings. It's a statistic, that is more relevant than plain population share.
  - antattack 4y ago
    Would you not accept that African-Americans might be victims of circumstances? As shown in the article it matters where you live. Also, criminal who's house FBI forcefully entered was not 'white'.
    - AnonCoward4 4y ago
magicalist 4y ago
> but received almost no media attention Just because something didn't become an internet cause célèbre doesn't mean it didn't get attention. I mean, just from this site: - https://reason.com/2020/03/16/maryland-man-killed-in-no-knock-swat-raid-was-shot-while-asleep-family-says/ https://reason.com/2020/03/16/maryland-man-killed-in-no-knoc... - https://reason.com/2020/07/02/why-havent-we-seen-the-body-cam-footage-of-duncan-lemps-killing/ https://reason.com/2020/07/02/why-havent-we-seen-the-body-ca... - https://reason.com/video/2020/10/16/the-complicated-truth-about-the-boogaloo-movement/ https://reason.com/video/2020/10/16/the-complicated-truth-ab... - https://reason.com/2021/01/08/prosecutors-office-clears-maryland-swat-officers-in-fatal-shooting-of-duncan-lemp/ https://reason.com/2021/01/08/prosecutors-office-clears-mary...
- throwaway040922 4y ago
  I think the fact that you have to go to alternative media like Reason to find articles about it speaks volume. Check out searches of mainstream news sites: Google search for "Duncan Lemp" site:nytimes.com[1]: Two articles, neither of which are about his shooting, but which mention him in passing when talking about Boogaloo "extremists." Google search for "Breonna Taylor" site:nytimes.com[2]: Dozens of articles from the Times. Google search for "Duncan Lemp" site:cnn.com[3]: No articles on CNN. Google search for "Breonna Taylor" site:cnn.com[4]: Dozens of articles from CNN. It's simply impossible to not notice the glaring disparity with the media coverage (and again, these two shootings happened a day apart). [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=fypUYrKKHYixytMP8pSg4As&ved=0ahUKEwjyxd6rjIz3AhWImHIEHXIKCLwQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Anytimes.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQA0oECEEYAUoECEYYAFCKBVjXD2DFEmgBcAB4AIABKogBdJIBATOYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+%22duncan... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&ei=5ilUYoa_AeLWytMPvL-huAM&ved=0ahUKEwiGysjii4z3AhViq3IEHbxfCDcQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFC7C1j4FGDSF2gBcAF4AIABKYgBdpIBATOYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+ta... [3] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&ei=hCtUYpvqBqHE1QHX66K4Cg&ved=0ahUKEwibvIKojYz3AhUhYjUKHde1CKcQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Acnn.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFCTBFiyFGC3GGgBcAF4AIABoQGIAbwHkgEDOC41mAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22duncan+lem... [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&ei=5ilUYoa_AeLWytMPvL-huAM&ved=0ahUKEwiGysjii4z3AhViq3IEHbxfCDcQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFC7C1j4FGDSF2gBcAF4AIABKYgBdpIBATOYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+ta...
thr0wawayf00 4y ago
> but received almost no media attention This shooting appears to have been covered by the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun and the AP. People like to blame a certain story not going viral on the media, but it's kind of a scapegoat argument. The press covered the event and people on Twitter chose not to elevate it. That doesn't mean the media was pushing a particular narrative. In Breonna Taylor's case, black community activists raised their voices in the community to state plainly that her death was an indicator of a fundamentally toxic policing system. There is no such analog for the white right, because those folks are largely ones defending the police right now.
jmyeet 4y ago
The Lemp case has a number of pertinent differences. First let me say that the bodycam footage to this day hasn't been released. Until it is, I give very little weight to the claims made by police. In fact this should be a rule: bodycam footage should be required for serving all warrants, arresting any suspect and so on. The police simply have too much power that can be abused and video footage (bodycam and amateur) has many times exposed the police lying. Kemp at least was the subject of the warrant. I'm not saying this to justify excessive police violence. But it is a key difference. As for what happened during the raid, it's hard to make conclusions since we don't have the bodycam footage.
- throwaway040922 4y ago
  > The Lemp case has a number of pertinent differences. You were comparing the Locke case to the Abou-Khatwa case in the article (about a white collar criminal the FBI was going after, where guns weren't involved) and the Rittenhouse case (shootings which didn't involve any law enforcement agency). The shootings of Locke, Lemp, and Taylor all have certain differences, but they're much more similar to each other than to those other cases.
difu_disciple 4y ago
I hope you can understand why common media did not amplify Duncan Lemp's voice - as he had prior intent to harm police and was co-opted as a symbol for extremist right-wing groups. [0] You will find very little support for no-knock raids but with the circumstances related to their deaths[0], comparing Duncan Lemp to Breonna Taylor is a disingenuous tu quoque. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/duncan-lemp-shooting-officer-not-charged/2020/12/31/46572a2c-3ba7-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/duncan-le...

Bilal_io 4y ago

I believe Duncan Lemp should have received the media attention he deserves. That being said: 1- You said "This kind of violence affects everyone" and this is disingenuous when we look at the ratio of black vs white being murdered by police. [1] 2- The media attention Breonna et al. received was not about the individuals but for the community in general due to my previous point. [1]https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116

throwaway040922 4y ago
> You said "This kind of violence affects everyone" and this is disingenuous when we look at the ratio of black vs white being murdered by police. If you want to argue that this kind of violence affects certain races more, that's fine. But why downplay the fact that it affects all races? The percentages are higher for Black Americans, but White Americans still make up the majority of people shot by police[1]. If people actually cared about creating a broad coalition to address this, they would want to highlight both facts, not hide the latter fact. You actually see the a similar attitude when racists attack social programs. If members of a minority group are more likely to benefit from a program, they treat it as a program for minorities, even if the majority of beneficiaries are non-minorities. It's also interesting to see how people divide the demographic information. If you look at the breakdown by sex, you'll find that the divide between men and women when when it comes to these shootings is much, much greater than the divide between races. Yet the latter is talked about a lot all over the media, and while I don't think I've ever seen the latter treated as an issue. My guess is that we'd also see another large divide if we divided the numbers by wealth (and this article is a good example of that). [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...
- Clubber 4y ago
  >The percentages are higher for Black Americans, but White Americans still make up the majority of people shot by police[1]. Yes I never understood this tactic. If you really want citizen support (which is required), you need to show that all citizens are subject to this type of injustice. If leaders just say one group is affected and don't show that all citizens are affected, you won't get change as fast, if at all. It's almost as if there is an ulterior motive to actually solving the problem, or perhaps the leadership just won't look past their own environment. Either way, the shiz is way out of hand and everyone should be afraid of it. I remember reading an article where police were serving a warrant and they straight up shot the guy next to his pregnant girlfriend through the window while they were sleeping. They justified it by saying the room was boobytrapped. The guy was staying at his parents house when this occurred. It was very suspect, but I never saw national media attention it deserved, and I find it highly unlikely a kid living with his parents would place a active, lethal booby trap in his bedroom inside his parent's house. It was an actual murder squad. Pretty crazy. I wish I could find the article (it was local.)
  - throwaway040922 4y ago
    Indeed. If I'm advocating for a project that will bring $10 million in to Town A that has a population of 5,000, and $50 million in to Town B with a population of 50,000, I'm going to be telling both Town A and Town B how the project will benefit them. I'm not going to be telling Town B that this project is only for Town A, and it's not an issue that affects Town B. If someone was saying that, you would expect that they'd be advocating against the project. It's hard to believe that anyone who's actively downplaying the way an issue affects the majority of the population is actually interested in solving the issue.
    - bavell 4y ago
      I'm relieved that I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion! It's so annoying and sad listening to all the people out there with good intentions who are failing so hard they actually drive people in the opposite direction. They would further their cause more by removing themselves from the discussion entirely.
ght 4y ago
If we are going to bring into account how many African-Americans are being killed by police we need to also bring into account the FBI's violent crime statistics. Blacks made up 56% of known murder offenders. While European Whites were 28% of known murder offenders while making up 60-65% of the population. Remember, African-Americans are only 11% of the population. That is a huge discrepancy that needs to be brought up while discussing the amount of African-Americans killed or arrested by police. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
- hikingsimulator 4y ago
  https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1390 https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1... Numbers are cool and all, but they can't be divorced from context: intergenerational poverty, police brutality and surveillance, the prison industrial complex. And so on.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    Correct. And yet, the original comment is strongly implying that the discrepancy is due to contemporary white racism, and not these structural issues you've helpfully pointed out. Issues that certain "white" populations, such as rural Appalachians, also struggle with to similar effect.
- jmyeet 4y ago
  I'm going to assume good intent here and say you've been sucked into some white supremacist propaganda. This falls under the umbrella of "1350" [1]: > The number 13 used in conjunction with either the number 52 or the number 90 is a shorthand reference to racist propaganda claims by white supremacists against African-Americans to depict them as savage and criminal in nature. If anything, it's evidence of overpolicing. But this continues a centuries-old narrative that black people are violent and white people are a civilizing force. Both of these provided moral cover for slavery. This include religious figures justifying slavery as the slaves were being converted to Christianity and it would save their immortal souls. I hope, for your sake, you can deconstruct this propaganda you've been exposed to. [1]: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1390 https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/1352-1...
antattack 4y ago
Dismissing others hardship or injustice because theirs is worse seems very counter productive. What is the intention of pointing out that African-Americans have it worse? Should we have special laws only for that group? Or, should more non African-Americans die due to bad laws to balance the scales.
- Bilal_io 4y ago
  I never dismissed anyone's hardship. Read the first line of my comment again. The intention of pointing that out was in response to a specific comment. Context matters. I want police violence to stop. Period. I want them to be held accountable for their actions. But when an article talks about the way law enforcement treats people of different classes with two different standards, and someone starts complaining that black people are getting more media attention, I feel obligated to reference the reason why, without dismissing anyone's hardship. Again, context.
AnonCoward4 4y ago
This is disingenious at best. Looking at the population ratio vs killing makes no sense whatsoever. In that case just use that to justify why men are more often subject to police violence than women. We all know why, but with race there may be no differences ... but there are. In the case of race you can't just ignore that black people do roughly 50% of violent crimes (just look at arson, don't even try to excuse it) and make up 25% of the lethal shootings with police. It's also obvious why the racism is the other way around than some people make it out to be. Every police officer thinks twice to shoot on someone with dark skin because of the media coverage that can and often does take place. With killing white people, even if unjust this is rarely if ever a headline (except you can spin it, like when he helped a PoC).
- Bilal_io 4y ago
  > black people do roughly 50% of violent crimes Thank you for this information. So do you support the fact that police in this country are working as a judge, jury and executor? I am sorry, but if I were you, I'd be ashamed to use such justification for people's killings. Let's focus on the issue at hand, policing violence is a problem that needs to be addressed, putting the blame on one side or the other because "they're more violent" is not a good start to any serious discussion except to shield police from their actions.
  - AnonCoward4 4y ago
    > I am sorry, but if I were you, I'd be ashamed to use such justification for people's killings. It's a statistic, that is more relevant than plain population share.
- antattack 4y ago
  Would you not accept that African-Americans might be victims of circumstances? As shown in the article it matters where you live. Also, criminal who's house FBI forcefully entered was not 'white'.
  - AnonCoward4 4y ago

magicalist 4y ago

> but received almost no media attention Just because something didn't become an internet cause célèbre doesn't mean it didn't get attention. I mean, just from this site: - https://reason.com/2020/03/16/maryland-man-killed-in-no-knock-swat-raid-was-shot-while-asleep-family-says/ https://reason.com/2020/03/16/maryland-man-killed-in-no-knoc... - https://reason.com/2020/07/02/why-havent-we-seen-the-body-cam-footage-of-duncan-lemps-killing/ https://reason.com/2020/07/02/why-havent-we-seen-the-body-ca... - https://reason.com/video/2020/10/16/the-complicated-truth-about-the-boogaloo-movement/ https://reason.com/video/2020/10/16/the-complicated-truth-ab... - https://reason.com/2021/01/08/prosecutors-office-clears-maryland-swat-officers-in-fatal-shooting-of-duncan-lemp/ https://reason.com/2021/01/08/prosecutors-office-clears-mary...

throwaway040922 4y ago
I think the fact that you have to go to alternative media like Reason to find articles about it speaks volume. Check out searches of mainstream news sites: Google search for "Duncan Lemp" site:nytimes.com[1]: Two articles, neither of which are about his shooting, but which mention him in passing when talking about Boogaloo "extremists." Google search for "Breonna Taylor" site:nytimes.com[2]: Dozens of articles from the Times. Google search for "Duncan Lemp" site:cnn.com[3]: No articles on CNN. Google search for "Breonna Taylor" site:cnn.com[4]: Dozens of articles from CNN. It's simply impossible to not notice the glaring disparity with the media coverage (and again, these two shootings happened a day apart). [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=fypUYrKKHYixytMP8pSg4As&ved=0ahUKEwjyxd6rjIz3AhWImHIEHXIKCLwQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Anytimes.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQA0oECEEYAUoECEYYAFCKBVjXD2DFEmgBcAB4AIABKogBdJIBATOYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anytimes.com+%22duncan... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&ei=5ilUYoa_AeLWytMPvL-huAM&ved=0ahUKEwiGysjii4z3AhViq3IEHbxfCDcQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFC7C1j4FGDSF2gBcAF4AIABKYgBdpIBATOYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+ta... [3] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&ei=hCtUYpvqBqHE1QHX66K4Cg&ved=0ahUKEwibvIKojYz3AhUhYjUKHde1CKcQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Acnn.com+%22duncan+lemp%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFCTBFiyFGC3GGgBcAF4AIABoQGIAbwHkgEDOC41mAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22duncan+lem... [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&ei=5ilUYoa_AeLWytMPvL-huAM&ved=0ahUKEwiGysjii4z3AhViq3IEHbxfCDcQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+taylor%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAEoECEYYAFC7C1j4FGDSF2gBcAF4AIABKYgBdpIBATOYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+%22breonna+ta...

thr0wawayf00 4y ago

> but received almost no media attention This shooting appears to have been covered by the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun and the AP. People like to blame a certain story not going viral on the media, but it's kind of a scapegoat argument. The press covered the event and people on Twitter chose not to elevate it. That doesn't mean the media was pushing a particular narrative. In Breonna Taylor's case, black community activists raised their voices in the community to state plainly that her death was an indicator of a fundamentally toxic policing system. There is no such analog for the white right, because those folks are largely ones defending the police right now.

jmyeet 4y ago

The Lemp case has a number of pertinent differences. First let me say that the bodycam footage to this day hasn't been released. Until it is, I give very little weight to the claims made by police. In fact this should be a rule: bodycam footage should be required for serving all warrants, arresting any suspect and so on. The police simply have too much power that can be abused and video footage (bodycam and amateur) has many times exposed the police lying. Kemp at least was the subject of the warrant. I'm not saying this to justify excessive police violence. But it is a key difference. As for what happened during the raid, it's hard to make conclusions since we don't have the bodycam footage.

throwaway040922 4y ago
> The Lemp case has a number of pertinent differences. You were comparing the Locke case to the Abou-Khatwa case in the article (about a white collar criminal the FBI was going after, where guns weren't involved) and the Rittenhouse case (shootings which didn't involve any law enforcement agency). The shootings of Locke, Lemp, and Taylor all have certain differences, but they're much more similar to each other than to those other cases.

difu_disciple 4y ago

I hope you can understand why common media did not amplify Duncan Lemp's voice - as he had prior intent to harm police and was co-opted as a symbol for extremist right-wing groups. [0] You will find very little support for no-knock raids but with the circumstances related to their deaths[0], comparing Duncan Lemp to Breonna Taylor is a disingenuous tu quoque. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/duncan-lemp-shooting-officer-not-charged/2020/12/31/46572a2c-3ba7-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/duncan-le...