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I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sancti

by kova12 5y ago

I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sanctions kick in

noobermin 5y ago
While they likely are subject to government scrutiny and probably will have to heel to the government in case they want them to put in backdoors or something, one small fresh company (from 2020) does not signal CCCP policy, although they probably should if they were smart start some level of manufacturing separate from Taiwan. If it were part of a push directly from the government I'd understand that but it sounds like this is unique because they are the first and currently, only, company trying to make gpus. Otherwise this is a bad reading of things, that every single Chinese company is somehow the arm of the CCCP which is way too simplistic.
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
But is this getting ready for that? Until China can produce its own fab equipment (taking Taiwan intact won’t help here), they will simply have fancy designs that they can’t produce. It doesn’t make sense unless they are betting on continued business relationship with the west.
- simne 5y ago
  > Until China can produce its own fab equipment Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone. Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University. Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world. So Russians believe on some esoteric things. For example they believe, that Russia grows, when isolates from world (this is not true). This is totally typical way of totalitarian societies - they create their own closed mythology and once isolate from truth so much, so they do weird things, and then fatal things, like Russian invasion to Ukraine, which for my believe have started countdown for disintegration of Russia. I'm not too much philanthropist, I just know too much about Israel, which suffer from constant visits of terrorists from the poorest countries around it. I prefer to have something like North Korea - mostly harmless country-museum.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    A couple of countries (USA and Germany) basically have a monopoly fab equipment production, and keep the secrets of such production closely guarded. Until China can re-invent semiconductors on their own (an inevitable event, but probably not anytime soon), they are reliant on the west to product any semiconductors at all.
    - simne 5y ago
      Monopoly is not this case. This is case of extreme complexity, which could not handled by one country, even by so big country. In reality, all G7 economies involved in semiconductor produce, and they also use lot of resources of other countries - this is how reality look. When somebody will create General AI, capable to substitute scientist, but to be strict, when this somebody will have thousands or maybe 100s thousands of such artificial scientists, this somebody will have opportunity to make his own semiconductor monopoly, but not earlier.
trasz 5y ago
simne 5y ago
I tried to say, China plan to do things, which will provoke sanctions. And to avoid complications, China prepare to live under sanctions. I must admit, this is smart behavior, even when I don't support, what China plan to do with Taiwan.

by kova12 5y ago

I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sanctions kick in

noobermin 5y ago

While they likely are subject to government scrutiny and probably will have to heel to the government in case they want them to put in backdoors or something, one small fresh company (from 2020) does not signal CCCP policy, although they probably should if they were smart start some level of manufacturing separate from Taiwan. If it were part of a push directly from the government I'd understand that but it sounds like this is unique because they are the first and currently, only, company trying to make gpus. Otherwise this is a bad reading of things, that every single Chinese company is somehow the arm of the CCCP which is way too simplistic.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

But is this getting ready for that? Until China can produce its own fab equipment (taking Taiwan intact won’t help here), they will simply have fancy designs that they can’t produce. It doesn’t make sense unless they are betting on continued business relationship with the west.

simne 5y ago
> Until China can produce its own fab equipment Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone. Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University. Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world. So Russians believe on some esoteric things. For example they believe, that Russia grows, when isolates from world (this is not true). This is totally typical way of totalitarian societies - they create their own closed mythology and once isolate from truth so much, so they do weird things, and then fatal things, like Russian invasion to Ukraine, which for my believe have started countdown for disintegration of Russia. I'm not too much philanthropist, I just know too much about Israel, which suffer from constant visits of terrorists from the poorest countries around it. I prefer to have something like North Korea - mostly harmless country-museum.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  A couple of countries (USA and Germany) basically have a monopoly fab equipment production, and keep the secrets of such production closely guarded. Until China can re-invent semiconductors on their own (an inevitable event, but probably not anytime soon), they are reliant on the west to product any semiconductors at all.
  - simne 5y ago
    Monopoly is not this case. This is case of extreme complexity, which could not handled by one country, even by so big country. In reality, all G7 economies involved in semiconductor produce, and they also use lot of resources of other countries - this is how reality look. When somebody will create General AI, capable to substitute scientist, but to be strict, when this somebody will have thousands or maybe 100s thousands of such artificial scientists, this somebody will have opportunity to make his own semiconductor monopoly, but not earlier.

trasz 5y ago

simne 5y ago

I tried to say, China plan to do things, which will provoke sanctions. And to avoid complications, China prepare to live under sanctions. I must admit, this is smart behavior, even when I don't support, what China plan to do with Taiwan.