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Hope so. IP is rent seeking and should be abolished. Or china might as well demand everyone pay IP for firecrackers or paper. India, middle east, ASENA, africa

by qiskit 5y ago

Hope so. IP is rent seeking and should be abolished. Or china might as well demand everyone pay IP for firecrackers or paper. India, middle east, ASENA, africa, etc should steal as much IP as they can and develop. Just like china did. Just like the US did. Just like everyone did.

cscurmudgeon 5y ago
Should Russia also do the same? Going back a year, would a similar statement apply to Russia too?
- hulitu 5y ago
  No Russia shall be better than US /s
- xtian 5y ago
  Yes, they should, and there’s good odds they will.
dataangel 5y ago
Time limited "rent seeking" that feeds the technologists necessary to develop the technology. In the absence of IP businesses just rely on obfuscation to try to get the same effect, except now you don't have a patent application to read and can't take someone to court for stealing your years of research.
- t0suj4 5y ago
  Except that it is used now to drive companies out of business. I honestly think that it has done more damage than benefit. IMO If the funds used to prevent people from applying technology would be used to fund research instead, the gains would net at least zero. Right now the benefits are localized to jurisdictions that don't care about IP. It is impossible to measure how much could have been gained from businesses that never existed due to uncertainty arising in the jungle of IPs.
  - bsder 5y ago
    > I honestly think that it has done more damage than benefit. Then you will wind up with the Chitu/Chitubox issue where everybody puts encryption chips into their stuff to lock it down. Moving everything to the cloud wasn't just about developer convenience. It had the side benefit for companies that their software couldn't be pirated anymore.
imtringued 5y ago
>Hope so. IP is rent seeking and should be abolished. In my opinion exclusive rights shouldn't be abolished, they should be time limited (up to a quarter of the human lifespan) and extensions should be gated behind very high taxes. Humans capture water from the environment for their personal use (e.g. drinking), however, eventually they release that very same water. What modern corporations are doing is akin to sucking a pond dry and swelling up to an absurd size while never intending to release that water back to the environment.

by qiskit 5y ago

cscurmudgeon 5y ago

Should Russia also do the same? Going back a year, would a similar statement apply to Russia too?

hulitu 5y ago
No Russia shall be better than US /s
xtian 5y ago
Yes, they should, and there’s good odds they will.

dataangel 5y ago

Time limited "rent seeking" that feeds the technologists necessary to develop the technology. In the absence of IP businesses just rely on obfuscation to try to get the same effect, except now you don't have a patent application to read and can't take someone to court for stealing your years of research.

t0suj4 5y ago
Except that it is used now to drive companies out of business. I honestly think that it has done more damage than benefit. IMO If the funds used to prevent people from applying technology would be used to fund research instead, the gains would net at least zero. Right now the benefits are localized to jurisdictions that don't care about IP. It is impossible to measure how much could have been gained from businesses that never existed due to uncertainty arising in the jungle of IPs.
- bsder 5y ago
  > I honestly think that it has done more damage than benefit. Then you will wind up with the Chitu/Chitubox issue where everybody puts encryption chips into their stuff to lock it down. Moving everything to the cloud wasn't just about developer convenience. It had the side benefit for companies that their software couldn't be pirated anymore.

imtringued 5y ago

>Hope so. IP is rent seeking and should be abolished. In my opinion exclusive rights shouldn't be abolished, they should be time limited (up to a quarter of the human lifespan) and extensions should be gated behind very high taxes. Humans capture water from the environment for their personal use (e.g. drinking), however, eventually they release that very same water. What modern corporations are doing is akin to sucking a pond dry and swelling up to an absurd size while never intending to release that water back to the environment.