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Those aren't really heresies, more like you've been exposed to strawmen liberal positions probably from reading too much breitbart or something.. - people shou

Those aren't really heresies, more like you've been exposed to strawmen liberal positions probably from reading too much breitbart or something.. - people should have body autonomy when it comes to vaccines, never met anyone who disagreed with this, but it doesn't really contradict stuff like vaccine mandates. - the US does not owe entry to illegal immigrants, also never met anyone who disagree with this, just that we should do more to help refugees. - there are two biological genders, seems like you're confusing sex for gender as gender isn't a biological concept. - the US is not structurally racist, it is but most people seem to agree with you, it's rather the heresy to say it is than to say it's not... - cops don't kill blacks at higher rates than whites, not a heresy to say, just different interpretations of data. - young children shouldn't be taught controversial topics (sex, etc.) In what world is this a heresy - math is not racist ??? who said math was racist. There are some people who are racist who hide behind math though, but it's not the math that's racist it's the person.

skellington 5y ago
I only listed a few of the hot button heretical positions without attempting to prove or disprove them. You seem to be a very unaware person of the costs of heresy today. 1. Truckers in Canada were labelled as racist, removed from donation platforms, de-banked, etc.. because they were against vaccine mandates. How does body autonomy not contradict a medical mandate? 2. Much of the left, and leftist orgs say that the US should have an open border 3. Biological sexes then -- many on the left don't agree with this and saying it like JK Rowling for example got her on the heretic list 4. LOL you are plain nuts if you think the common position from the left is the US is not structurally racist 5. data is data, blacks are kills by cops at a lower proportion 6. LOL are you even aware of the "don't say gay" stuff happening in Florida? 7. LOL many have said math is racist including BLM and other leftist groups. The whole construct of logic, match, cause and effect thinking, etc.. You really aren't paying attention.
- KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
  1. Not true, they were de-platformed for the convoy not for being against the vaccine mandate, loads of people are. Vaccine mandates has nothing to do with YOUR body, nobody is going to your home, putting you in cuffs and forcibly injecting you. It's about making sure nobody is forced to interact with you in public where you may infect THEM. People have a right to not be infected by an easily preventable disease, this seems to me like also a valid right to protect. 2. Feels like a strawman tbh. Even if there are people saying this it's a radical position that's more similar to heresy than what you claim is the heresy... 3. People are really only arguing for gender. JK Rowling is arguing for 2 genders and why she is castigated. 4. Why focused on the left though? Maybe like 60% of "left" thinks the US is structurally racist, that still means most of the US thinks it's not. 5. On HN I expect you to know that you can cherry pick and slice data in any way to present any conclusion. Some people also don't think there's a gender pay gap for example. Your conclusion is not a "heresy" so long as presented with sufficient context, but it's the process of creating that context that betrays racist intent that makes you a target for being canceled. For most people it's trivially shown that black people are at several times risk of being killed by cops. 6. It's a right-wing legislation. Doesn't it counter your own point? 7. Rather than me not paying attention you read too much right-wing propaganda that strawmans issues. There is no democrat on an anti-math platform this is nonsense.
  - gonehome 5y ago
    I'd push back on 3 - I thought it was about gender and sex was a strawman, but the Lia Thomas stuff changed my mind. There are people arguing about sex in such a way that doesn't make sense, has substantial 'heretical risk', and hurts women. JK Rowling is castigated because she makes a distinction that the more aggressive people try to pretend doesn't exist. The math thing probably refers to dumb policy in SF to remove algebra and standardized tests (the latter spread to some universities too which MIT recently reversed). It'd take longer to dig into this - but there are nuanced non-racist views here that would definitely get you into heretical territory pretty fast.
    - KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
      How did Lia Thomas change your mind? It's not controversial that she was born male. If you just google Lia Thomas there's almost overwhelming voices against her. > JK Rowling is castigated because she makes a distinction that the more aggressive people try to pretend doesn't exist. She does way more than "makes a distinction". She is actively against trans people. If you go on her twitter it's almost an anti-trans crusade. This is her main preoccupation these days and so will naturally garner hate. In practice, most people "makes the distinction", and this is normal and isn't heresy. > The math thing probably refers to dumb policy in SF to remove algebra and standardized tests (the latter spread to some universities too which MIT recently reversed). It'd take longer to dig into this - but there are nuanced non-racist views here that would definitely get you into heretical territory pretty fast. I still think it's too much to say it's anti-math, what it boils down to is education and access to education. Framing it as anti-math is very right-wing. There's no way a "pro-math" view would be heretical. MIT paused standardized testing because of covid not because they were anti-math, that kind of framing is really done by media commentators who are more interested in disrupting civil society than having honest discussions. Unfortunately it seems like people on HN are still susceptible to paying attention to those miscreants.

skellington 5y ago

I only listed a few of the hot button heretical positions without attempting to prove or disprove them. You seem to be a very unaware person of the costs of heresy today. 1. Truckers in Canada were labelled as racist, removed from donation platforms, de-banked, etc.. because they were against vaccine mandates. How does body autonomy not contradict a medical mandate? 2. Much of the left, and leftist orgs say that the US should have an open border 3. Biological sexes then -- many on the left don't agree with this and saying it like JK Rowling for example got her on the heretic list 4. LOL you are plain nuts if you think the common position from the left is the US is not structurally racist 5. data is data, blacks are kills by cops at a lower proportion 6. LOL are you even aware of the "don't say gay" stuff happening in Florida? 7. LOL many have said math is racist including BLM and other leftist groups. The whole construct of logic, match, cause and effect thinking, etc.. You really aren't paying attention.

KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
1. Not true, they were de-platformed for the convoy not for being against the vaccine mandate, loads of people are. Vaccine mandates has nothing to do with YOUR body, nobody is going to your home, putting you in cuffs and forcibly injecting you. It's about making sure nobody is forced to interact with you in public where you may infect THEM. People have a right to not be infected by an easily preventable disease, this seems to me like also a valid right to protect. 2. Feels like a strawman tbh. Even if there are people saying this it's a radical position that's more similar to heresy than what you claim is the heresy... 3. People are really only arguing for gender. JK Rowling is arguing for 2 genders and why she is castigated. 4. Why focused on the left though? Maybe like 60% of "left" thinks the US is structurally racist, that still means most of the US thinks it's not. 5. On HN I expect you to know that you can cherry pick and slice data in any way to present any conclusion. Some people also don't think there's a gender pay gap for example. Your conclusion is not a "heresy" so long as presented with sufficient context, but it's the process of creating that context that betrays racist intent that makes you a target for being canceled. For most people it's trivially shown that black people are at several times risk of being killed by cops. 6. It's a right-wing legislation. Doesn't it counter your own point? 7. Rather than me not paying attention you read too much right-wing propaganda that strawmans issues. There is no democrat on an anti-math platform this is nonsense.
- gonehome 5y ago
  I'd push back on 3 - I thought it was about gender and sex was a strawman, but the Lia Thomas stuff changed my mind. There are people arguing about sex in such a way that doesn't make sense, has substantial 'heretical risk', and hurts women. JK Rowling is castigated because she makes a distinction that the more aggressive people try to pretend doesn't exist. The math thing probably refers to dumb policy in SF to remove algebra and standardized tests (the latter spread to some universities too which MIT recently reversed). It'd take longer to dig into this - but there are nuanced non-racist views here that would definitely get you into heretical territory pretty fast.
  - KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
    How did Lia Thomas change your mind? It's not controversial that she was born male. If you just google Lia Thomas there's almost overwhelming voices against her. > JK Rowling is castigated because she makes a distinction that the more aggressive people try to pretend doesn't exist. She does way more than "makes a distinction". She is actively against trans people. If you go on her twitter it's almost an anti-trans crusade. This is her main preoccupation these days and so will naturally garner hate. In practice, most people "makes the distinction", and this is normal and isn't heresy. > The math thing probably refers to dumb policy in SF to remove algebra and standardized tests (the latter spread to some universities too which MIT recently reversed). It'd take longer to dig into this - but there are nuanced non-racist views here that would definitely get you into heretical territory pretty fast. I still think it's too much to say it's anti-math, what it boils down to is education and access to education. Framing it as anti-math is very right-wing. There's no way a "pro-math" view would be heretical. MIT paused standardized testing because of covid not because they were anti-math, that kind of framing is really done by media commentators who are more interested in disrupting civil society than having honest discussions. Unfortunately it seems like people on HN are still susceptible to paying attention to those miscreants.