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You must be pretty asleep to not be aware of the hot button topics now. How about statements like: - people should have body autonomy when it comes to vaccine

You must be pretty asleep to not be aware of the hot button topics now. How about statements like: - people should have body autonomy when it comes to vaccines - the US does not owe entry to illegal immigrants - there are two biological genders - the US is not structurally racist - cops don't kill blacks at higher rates than whites - young children shouldn't be taught controversial topics (sex, etc.) - math is not racist

TheCoelacanth 5y ago
Since when are those things not allowed to be said? I see tons of people saying things like that without any consequences. Often, it even results in them being elected to high office. If the worst punishment is people yelling at you on Twitter, then I think the heresy metaphor has been stretched too far.
tlogan 5y ago
- people should have body autonomy when it comes to vaccines Not heresy. - the US does not owe entry to illegal immigrants Not heresy. - there are two biological genders Bad - this sentence is telling part of population should just kill themself since they don’t exist. - the US is not structurally racist No heresy. This sentence needs to be context. - cops don't kill blacks at higher rates than whites Not sure. The sentence needs be in context. - young children shouldn't be taught controversial topics (sex, etc.) Bad. This sentence is implicitly claiming than being gay is not ok (being gay makes you “ controversial “ human - better not exist). - math is not racist Bad. This sentence implicitly claims that girls are stupid. (Mistake I read this is as “math is not sexist”) As you can see in you cannot say that certan type of people are less of a human. But I that think WW2 kinda solved this.
- trash99 5y ago
- skellington 5y ago
  You prove my point by most of your answers. You can't say a bunch of things without being a heretic. Non of your bizarre interpretations are part of the statements. They are a weird extended interpretation based on your internal fantasies. You might as well as just pointed to a strange woman and yelled WITCH. You religious fanatics are all the same.
  - ss108 5y ago
    ? What "bizarre interpretations" did that person offer? Am I reading the wrong comment, or did you accidentally reply to the wrong one?
- pjscott 5y ago
  I'm confused by a few of your reactions. > Bad - this sentence is telling part of population should just kill themself since they don’t exist. Which part of the population are you referring to? People with intersex conditions like Klinefelter syndrome? They definitely exist, but I wouldn't say that "there are two biological genders" implies that they should kill themselves (wtf?) -- it's just omitting some edge cases. And it's a descriptive claim rather than a normative one. > Bad. This sentence implicitly claims that girls are stupid. How so? Saying "math is not racist" makes no mention of gender. This seems like a leap in logic, unsupported by any good-faith reading of the original text.
  - tlogan 5y ago
    I misread: “math is not racists” - I read “math is not sexist” (implying that girls are naturally not good at math). I’m not aware of ”math is not racist” so I do not know what it means.
    - pjscott 5y ago
      Ah, that makes more sense. (And "math is not racist" is usually said by people who are claiming that racial differences in average math test scores are caused by something other than racism in the subject matter or teaching style, such as disparate rates of poverty, quality of school districts, etc.)
KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
Those aren't really heresies, more like you've been exposed to strawmen liberal positions probably from reading too much breitbart or something.. - people should have body autonomy when it comes to vaccines, never met anyone who disagreed with this, but it doesn't really contradict stuff like vaccine mandates. - the US does not owe entry to illegal immigrants, also never met anyone who disagree with this, just that we should do more to help refugees. - there are two biological genders, seems like you're confusing sex for gender as gender isn't a biological concept. - the US is not structurally racist, it is but most people seem to agree with you, it's rather the heresy to say it is than to say it's not... - cops don't kill blacks at higher rates than whites, not a heresy to say, just different interpretations of data. - young children shouldn't be taught controversial topics (sex, etc.) In what world is this a heresy - math is not racist ??? who said math was racist. There are some people who are racist who hide behind math though, but it's not the math that's racist it's the person.
- skellington 5y ago
  I only listed a few of the hot button heretical positions without attempting to prove or disprove them. You seem to be a very unaware person of the costs of heresy today. 1. Truckers in Canada were labelled as racist, removed from donation platforms, de-banked, etc.. because they were against vaccine mandates. How does body autonomy not contradict a medical mandate? 2. Much of the left, and leftist orgs say that the US should have an open border 3. Biological sexes then -- many on the left don't agree with this and saying it like JK Rowling for example got her on the heretic list 4. LOL you are plain nuts if you think the common position from the left is the US is not structurally racist 5. data is data, blacks are kills by cops at a lower proportion 6. LOL are you even aware of the "don't say gay" stuff happening in Florida? 7. LOL many have said math is racist including BLM and other leftist groups. The whole construct of logic, match, cause and effect thinking, etc.. You really aren't paying attention.
  - KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
    1. Not true, they were de-platformed for the convoy not for being against the vaccine mandate, loads of people are. Vaccine mandates has nothing to do with YOUR body, nobody is going to your home, putting you in cuffs and forcibly injecting you. It's about making sure nobody is forced to interact with you in public where you may infect THEM. People have a right to not be infected by an easily preventable disease, this seems to me like also a valid right to protect. 2. Feels like a strawman tbh. Even if there are people saying this it's a radical position that's more similar to heresy than what you claim is the heresy... 3. People are really only arguing for gender. JK Rowling is arguing for 2 genders and why she is castigated. 4. Why focused on the left though? Maybe like 60% of "left" thinks the US is structurally racist, that still means most of the US thinks it's not. 5. On HN I expect you to know that you can cherry pick and slice data in any way to present any conclusion. Some people also don't think there's a gender pay gap for example. Your conclusion is not a "heresy" so long as presented with sufficient context, but it's the process of creating that context that betrays racist intent that makes you a target for being canceled. For most people it's trivially shown that black people are at several times risk of being killed by cops. 6. It's a right-wing legislation. Doesn't it counter your own point? 7. Rather than me not paying attention you read too much right-wing propaganda that strawmans issues. There is no democrat on an anti-math platform this is nonsense.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago

Since when are those things not allowed to be said? I see tons of people saying things like that without any consequences. Often, it even results in them being elected to high office. If the worst punishment is people yelling at you on Twitter, then I think the heresy metaphor has been stretched too far.

tlogan 5y ago

- people should have body autonomy when it comes to vaccines Not heresy. - the US does not owe entry to illegal immigrants Not heresy. - there are two biological genders Bad - this sentence is telling part of population should just kill themself since they don’t exist. - the US is not structurally racist No heresy. This sentence needs to be context. - cops don't kill blacks at higher rates than whites Not sure. The sentence needs be in context. - young children shouldn't be taught controversial topics (sex, etc.) Bad. This sentence is implicitly claiming than being gay is not ok (being gay makes you “ controversial “ human - better not exist). - math is not racist Bad. This sentence implicitly claims that girls are stupid. (Mistake I read this is as “math is not sexist”) As you can see in you cannot say that certan type of people are less of a human. But I that think WW2 kinda solved this.

trash99 5y ago
skellington 5y ago
You prove my point by most of your answers. You can't say a bunch of things without being a heretic. Non of your bizarre interpretations are part of the statements. They are a weird extended interpretation based on your internal fantasies. You might as well as just pointed to a strange woman and yelled WITCH. You religious fanatics are all the same.
- ss108 5y ago
  ? What "bizarre interpretations" did that person offer? Am I reading the wrong comment, or did you accidentally reply to the wrong one?
pjscott 5y ago
I'm confused by a few of your reactions. > Bad - this sentence is telling part of population should just kill themself since they don’t exist. Which part of the population are you referring to? People with intersex conditions like Klinefelter syndrome? They definitely exist, but I wouldn't say that "there are two biological genders" implies that they should kill themselves (wtf?) -- it's just omitting some edge cases. And it's a descriptive claim rather than a normative one. > Bad. This sentence implicitly claims that girls are stupid. How so? Saying "math is not racist" makes no mention of gender. This seems like a leap in logic, unsupported by any good-faith reading of the original text.
- tlogan 5y ago
  I misread: “math is not racists” - I read “math is not sexist” (implying that girls are naturally not good at math). I’m not aware of ”math is not racist” so I do not know what it means.
  - pjscott 5y ago
    Ah, that makes more sense. (And "math is not racist" is usually said by people who are claiming that racial differences in average math test scores are caused by something other than racism in the subject matter or teaching style, such as disparate rates of poverty, quality of school districts, etc.)

KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago

Those aren't really heresies, more like you've been exposed to strawmen liberal positions probably from reading too much breitbart or something.. - people should have body autonomy when it comes to vaccines, never met anyone who disagreed with this, but it doesn't really contradict stuff like vaccine mandates. - the US does not owe entry to illegal immigrants, also never met anyone who disagree with this, just that we should do more to help refugees. - there are two biological genders, seems like you're confusing sex for gender as gender isn't a biological concept. - the US is not structurally racist, it is but most people seem to agree with you, it's rather the heresy to say it is than to say it's not... - cops don't kill blacks at higher rates than whites, not a heresy to say, just different interpretations of data. - young children shouldn't be taught controversial topics (sex, etc.) In what world is this a heresy - math is not racist ??? who said math was racist. There are some people who are racist who hide behind math though, but it's not the math that's racist it's the person.

skellington 5y ago
I only listed a few of the hot button heretical positions without attempting to prove or disprove them. You seem to be a very unaware person of the costs of heresy today. 1. Truckers in Canada were labelled as racist, removed from donation platforms, de-banked, etc.. because they were against vaccine mandates. How does body autonomy not contradict a medical mandate? 2. Much of the left, and leftist orgs say that the US should have an open border 3. Biological sexes then -- many on the left don't agree with this and saying it like JK Rowling for example got her on the heretic list 4. LOL you are plain nuts if you think the common position from the left is the US is not structurally racist 5. data is data, blacks are kills by cops at a lower proportion 6. LOL are you even aware of the "don't say gay" stuff happening in Florida? 7. LOL many have said math is racist including BLM and other leftist groups. The whole construct of logic, match, cause and effect thinking, etc.. You really aren't paying attention.
- KaoruAoiShiho 5y ago
  1. Not true, they were de-platformed for the convoy not for being against the vaccine mandate, loads of people are. Vaccine mandates has nothing to do with YOUR body, nobody is going to your home, putting you in cuffs and forcibly injecting you. It's about making sure nobody is forced to interact with you in public where you may infect THEM. People have a right to not be infected by an easily preventable disease, this seems to me like also a valid right to protect. 2. Feels like a strawman tbh. Even if there are people saying this it's a radical position that's more similar to heresy than what you claim is the heresy... 3. People are really only arguing for gender. JK Rowling is arguing for 2 genders and why she is castigated. 4. Why focused on the left though? Maybe like 60% of "left" thinks the US is structurally racist, that still means most of the US thinks it's not. 5. On HN I expect you to know that you can cherry pick and slice data in any way to present any conclusion. Some people also don't think there's a gender pay gap for example. Your conclusion is not a "heresy" so long as presented with sufficient context, but it's the process of creating that context that betrays racist intent that makes you a target for being canceled. For most people it's trivially shown that black people are at several times risk of being killed by cops. 6. It's a right-wing legislation. Doesn't it counter your own point? 7. Rather than me not paying attention you read too much right-wing propaganda that strawmans issues. There is no democrat on an anti-math platform this is nonsense.