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With such high vaccination rates in many places why didn’t we see a corresponding reduction in Covid infections? Why are vaccinated people getting infected?

joyeuse6701 5y ago
The vaccines do not prevent infection but reduce the ultimate harm of the infection.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  This position leads to inevitable follow up question: if vaccination reduces only personal risks, and does not prevent infection spread, why forcing it on anyone? If a person is unwilling to vaccinate and accepts the higher risk of a negative outcome, let him decide for himself, no?
  - maxerickson 5y ago
    The vaccines do reduce transmission, even if they don't prevent it. You have to pretty much be willfully ignoring this fact to not understand it at this point.
  - petefromnorth 5y ago
    The majority of western countries did this. Optional vaccines, restricted from public gatherings if you choose to not get it.
  - dekhn 5y ago
    vaccines do not only reduce personal risks. Can you please form a better argument?
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      Before I form 'a better argument' for you, can you please make an argument yourself about the effects of the vaccines besides reducing personal risks? To note: I'm personally vaccinated, but people who think it is OK to restrict personal freedoms of other people based on very fluid and agenda-driven narrative about the current state of the 'scientific consensus' do not get much respect from me. Maybe it is because I'm from a country where personal freedoms are routinely abused and I value them much more than people who take these freedoms for grated.
inductive_magic 5y ago
You’re asking the wrong question, vaccinations don’t stop the infections themselves. Why China still needs lockdowns, compared to the west? Because sinovac is basically useless. > Against the original virus BioNTech was 95% effective compared to 50.7% for Sinovac. https://www.otandp.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-comparison-which-is-the-best-vaccine-a-head-to-head-comparison?hs_amp=true https://www.otandp.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-comparison-whic...

joyeuse6701 5y ago

The vaccines do not prevent infection but reduce the ultimate harm of the infection.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
This position leads to inevitable follow up question: if vaccination reduces only personal risks, and does not prevent infection spread, why forcing it on anyone? If a person is unwilling to vaccinate and accepts the higher risk of a negative outcome, let him decide for himself, no?
- maxerickson 5y ago
  The vaccines do reduce transmission, even if they don't prevent it. You have to pretty much be willfully ignoring this fact to not understand it at this point.
- petefromnorth 5y ago
  The majority of western countries did this. Optional vaccines, restricted from public gatherings if you choose to not get it.
- dekhn 5y ago
  vaccines do not only reduce personal risks. Can you please form a better argument?
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    Before I form 'a better argument' for you, can you please make an argument yourself about the effects of the vaccines besides reducing personal risks? To note: I'm personally vaccinated, but people who think it is OK to restrict personal freedoms of other people based on very fluid and agenda-driven narrative about the current state of the 'scientific consensus' do not get much respect from me. Maybe it is because I'm from a country where personal freedoms are routinely abused and I value them much more than people who take these freedoms for grated.

inductive_magic 5y ago

You’re asking the wrong question, vaccinations don’t stop the infections themselves. Why China still needs lockdowns, compared to the west? Because sinovac is basically useless. > Against the original virus BioNTech was 95% effective compared to 50.7% for Sinovac. https://www.otandp.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-comparison-which-is-the-best-vaccine-a-head-to-head-comparison?hs_amp=true https://www.otandp.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-comparison-whic...