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Shit on your own country? What does that even mean? The place you were born by chance? Now you have to “own” it as an identity? Do you have the same beliefs abo

Shit on your own country? What does that even mean? The place you were born by chance? Now you have to “own” it as an identity? Do you have the same beliefs about government? religion? caste? race? I suggest you try freeing yourself of such burden.

sudhirkhanger 4y ago
Do an exercise for me since you have freed yourself from the burden of natural identity. Go to a foreign nation and destroy your password. It will teach you a practical lesson in natural identity. Do make sure to go to a nation that you think is the greatest nation in human lifetime.
- sriram_malhar 4y ago
  I think of myself as the equivalent of an atheist when it comes to all kinds of identities: national, linguistic, religious, caste, etc. It behooves us to call out shitty stuff just as it behooves us to work towards bettering our surroundings in increasingly larger circles.
- sudhirkhanger 4y ago
  passport not password.
nonamechicken 4y ago
I know with 100% certainty that unless I go fight for something like ISIS, India will take me back without any problems. No one else will do that. That's where the country of birth becomes important for me.
- nosianu 4y ago
  > I know with 100% certainty that unless I go fight for something like ISIS, India will take me back without any problems. No one else will do that. It's going off-topic now for the thread, but since you mentioned it: Some European countries do just that. https://www.dw.com/en/over-100-islamic-state-fighters-return-to-germany/a-53549985 https://www.dw.com/en/over-100-islamic-state-fighters-return... > Authorities believe that 1,060 IS fighters left Germany for Syria or Iraq, of which a third have since returned, the Interior Ministry said. Germany is taking a "holistic approach" in dealing with ex-jihadi fighters, including deradicalization and reintegration. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55387991 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55387991 > Germany and Finland have repatriated five women and 18 children from Syrian camps housing suspected family members of Islamic State (IS) militants. . Incidentally, on the thread topic, I too turned my back on the US and returned to Germany in 2004 after about 8 years and with no visa or job trouble and a good outlook. Back to Germany, in my case, and also after thinking about the bigger picture. I'm a co-founder of a small software company here now. Healthcare, politics (so divisive, and divided, here in Germany it's so much more mild except for the far-right Russia-friendly AfD party), housing costs. Well, the latter is really bad now in Germany too but the rest remains good.
  - pasabagi 4y ago
    In general the idea of removing somebody's citizenship for any reason is highly problematic, as it leads to the possibility of a get-out clause around the inalienable rights that citizens are supposed to have.
    - nosianu 4y ago
      I think in the mentioned cases, and maybe in similar ones I heard of before, the alternative was not to revoke citizenship, but to let them rot in a foreign jail.
abc_lisper 4y ago
Ah. You fell for the trap. The good old “you mean more than you said just because you were critical of some aspects of the country”. The parent made your argument a straw man, beat it down in his mind, and made you angry.

sudhirkhanger 4y ago

Do an exercise for me since you have freed yourself from the burden of natural identity. Go to a foreign nation and destroy your password. It will teach you a practical lesson in natural identity. Do make sure to go to a nation that you think is the greatest nation in human lifetime.

sriram_malhar 4y ago
I think of myself as the equivalent of an atheist when it comes to all kinds of identities: national, linguistic, religious, caste, etc. It behooves us to call out shitty stuff just as it behooves us to work towards bettering our surroundings in increasingly larger circles.
sudhirkhanger 4y ago
passport not password.

nonamechicken 4y ago

I know with 100% certainty that unless I go fight for something like ISIS, India will take me back without any problems. No one else will do that. That's where the country of birth becomes important for me.

nosianu 4y ago
> I know with 100% certainty that unless I go fight for something like ISIS, India will take me back without any problems. No one else will do that. It's going off-topic now for the thread, but since you mentioned it: Some European countries do just that. https://www.dw.com/en/over-100-islamic-state-fighters-return-to-germany/a-53549985 https://www.dw.com/en/over-100-islamic-state-fighters-return... > Authorities believe that 1,060 IS fighters left Germany for Syria or Iraq, of which a third have since returned, the Interior Ministry said. Germany is taking a "holistic approach" in dealing with ex-jihadi fighters, including deradicalization and reintegration. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55387991 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55387991 > Germany and Finland have repatriated five women and 18 children from Syrian camps housing suspected family members of Islamic State (IS) militants. . Incidentally, on the thread topic, I too turned my back on the US and returned to Germany in 2004 after about 8 years and with no visa or job trouble and a good outlook. Back to Germany, in my case, and also after thinking about the bigger picture. I'm a co-founder of a small software company here now. Healthcare, politics (so divisive, and divided, here in Germany it's so much more mild except for the far-right Russia-friendly AfD party), housing costs. Well, the latter is really bad now in Germany too but the rest remains good.
- pasabagi 4y ago
  In general the idea of removing somebody's citizenship for any reason is highly problematic, as it leads to the possibility of a get-out clause around the inalienable rights that citizens are supposed to have.
  - nosianu 4y ago
    I think in the mentioned cases, and maybe in similar ones I heard of before, the alternative was not to revoke citizenship, but to let them rot in a foreign jail.

abc_lisper 4y ago

Ah. You fell for the trap. The good old “you mean more than you said just because you were critical of some aspects of the country”. The parent made your argument a straw man, beat it down in his mind, and made you angry.