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I'm not sure there's "change your values" type money for everyone. Though for me, $1MM is enough to consider working for Amazon to attempt to change it from the

by Riseed 5y ago

I'm not sure there's "change your values" type money for everyone. Though for me, $1MM is enough to consider working for Amazon to attempt to change it from the inside. Perhaps we're saying the same things with different words.

nostrademons 5y ago
Amazon is not going to change from the inside for anyone making $1M. If you go in thinking it is, you're deluding yourself and will be much less effective than if you just accept that Amazon is what Amazon is and you're whoring yourself out to them for $1M/year. Your paygrade needs to be at least $100M/year to have a reasonable shot of changing the culture of a large company. Most likely, by the time you get up there you realize that companies are what they are for reasons, and if you try to change that you will end up changing yourself out of that $100M job rather than changing the world.
- lhorie 5y ago
  I know a guy in there (who most likely isn't making anywhere near 100M), who transferred into the HR org to try to make a dent into the problem of employee turnover, PIP BS, etc. Last I heard, he was giving middle managers a hard time for perpetuating the sorts of bad behaviors that give Amazon its bad reputation as an employer. Maybe Amazon is a lost cause, maybe it isn't, but you won't know if you can fix it unless you try. </two-cents>
  - TideAd 5y ago
    PIP culture at Amazon comes from the very top. Bezos was a huge fan of it and so is the new CEO. There's no way your friend is going to be able to fight institutional power like that.
- nostrebored 5y ago
  $100m/yr? You have some very interesting ideas about corporate ceo/SVP salaries
  - ido 5y ago
    Is $100m too low or too high?
    - tempestn 5y ago
      Too high. A small handful of CEOs have started making >100M in annual comp recently[1], but outside of the very highest paid CEOs, even top executives don't make that kind of money. (Although they certainly might see a capital gain in excess of that amount on their stock and options when the share price goes up.) [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-highest-paid-ceos/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-highest-paid-ceos/
      - ido 5y ago
        Yeah, I assumed that was TC (in which case for a CEO the majority of that will be shares not the base salary) - but of course most CEOs don't run Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/etc.

by Riseed 5y ago

nostrademons 5y ago

Amazon is not going to change from the inside for anyone making $1M. If you go in thinking it is, you're deluding yourself and will be much less effective than if you just accept that Amazon is what Amazon is and you're whoring yourself out to them for $1M/year. Your paygrade needs to be at least $100M/year to have a reasonable shot of changing the culture of a large company. Most likely, by the time you get up there you realize that companies are what they are for reasons, and if you try to change that you will end up changing yourself out of that $100M job rather than changing the world.

lhorie 5y ago
I know a guy in there (who most likely isn't making anywhere near 100M), who transferred into the HR org to try to make a dent into the problem of employee turnover, PIP BS, etc. Last I heard, he was giving middle managers a hard time for perpetuating the sorts of bad behaviors that give Amazon its bad reputation as an employer. Maybe Amazon is a lost cause, maybe it isn't, but you won't know if you can fix it unless you try. </two-cents>
- TideAd 5y ago
  PIP culture at Amazon comes from the very top. Bezos was a huge fan of it and so is the new CEO. There's no way your friend is going to be able to fight institutional power like that.
nostrebored 5y ago
$100m/yr? You have some very interesting ideas about corporate ceo/SVP salaries
- ido 5y ago
  Is $100m too low or too high?
  - tempestn 5y ago
    Too high. A small handful of CEOs have started making >100M in annual comp recently[1], but outside of the very highest paid CEOs, even top executives don't make that kind of money. (Although they certainly might see a capital gain in excess of that amount on their stock and options when the share price goes up.) [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-highest-paid-ceos/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-highest-paid-ceos/
    - ido 5y ago
      Yeah, I assumed that was TC (in which case for a CEO the majority of that will be shares not the base salary) - but of course most CEOs don't run Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/etc.