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> I have no reason to trust random American companies more than my local ISP. I don't trust the USA more than I trust my own country. You know you are quite fo

by hvis 5y ago

> I have no reason to trust random American companies more than my local ISP. I don't trust the USA more than I trust my own country. You know you are quite fortunate to be able to say so. Firefox is a project with global impact. A lot of people around the world can benefit from DoH.

adalu 5y ago
Even people in Germany who want to read the other side of the war story, like I did yesterday to read RT(.com) vs the Tagesschau propaganda. Since my ISP, O2, has removed rt.com entries and other russian propaganda outlets (I acknowledge the "west" also has propaganda outlets like Reuters etc) I was looking for ways to still read rt.com news. I looked into Firefox' preferences and searched for "DNS" and saw DNS over HTTP and I could pick Cloudflare, NextDNS (never heard of) or custom. I picked Cloudflare and read rt.com thus getting the other side of the whole bs propaganda mess. The German Grundgesetz (constitution) says "eine Zensur findet nicht statt" (censorship does not occur/there will be no censorship) yet, there is censorship. I was sceptical about DOH in general (why do we need this?) but now I see why this can be a good thing and great as well that Firefox supports it so easily.
- dnzm 5y ago
  How is this different from just using different DNS settings on your OS?
  - dahfizz 5y ago
    Because your ISP can block a "raw" DNS request, regardless of what server you configure. Your ISP can even inspect your DNS request, and choose to give a fake response or block the request based on the domain you are requesting.
    - drexlspivey 5y ago
      Your ISP can also block the IP via reverse DNS if they want too.. If you don’t trust your ISP only a vpn will save you
- malnourish 5y ago
  Referring to Reuters as a propaganda outlet seems like a bold statement; what evidence led you to make that claim?
  - adalu 4y ago
    I could turn the question around, what evidence do you have they aren't? I'm not going to search for every single article. Or are you seriously suggesting that Reuters is 100% free of propaganda, especially in war times? The answer your question: "common sense".
    - malnourish 4y ago
      That is an unsatisfying and fallacious response. I did not make that claim, nor did I call them a propaganda outlet. For whom are they propagandizing?
    - adamrt 4y ago
      > I could turn the question around, what evidence do you have they aren't? I don't care about either side of this argument, but you can't logically turn the question around. The burden of proof is on you, who made the claim.
pbhjpbhj 5y ago
Because USA wouldn't issue a national security letter to get dirt on foreigners? Seems like if Mozilla wanted to choose DoH as way to protect people from being spied on they wouldn't choose USA-based companies? Like "don't get caught by your own gov accessing restricted material get caught by USA gov-related organisations so they can sell you out to your own gov & benefit USA". If you're bothered about who's watching your web traffic then it seems highly unlikely you want to add USA to the list of who is watching you??
- hvis 4y ago
  There aren't many companies with that capability and scale outside of US. And the States are watching you anyway: most of the Internet resides there. Even the websites that don't are likely using Cloudflare or etc to save on traffic.

by hvis 5y ago

adalu 5y ago

Even people in Germany who want to read the other side of the war story, like I did yesterday to read RT(.com) vs the Tagesschau propaganda. Since my ISP, O2, has removed rt.com entries and other russian propaganda outlets (I acknowledge the "west" also has propaganda outlets like Reuters etc) I was looking for ways to still read rt.com news. I looked into Firefox' preferences and searched for "DNS" and saw DNS over HTTP and I could pick Cloudflare, NextDNS (never heard of) or custom. I picked Cloudflare and read rt.com thus getting the other side of the whole bs propaganda mess. The German Grundgesetz (constitution) says "eine Zensur findet nicht statt" (censorship does not occur/there will be no censorship) yet, there is censorship. I was sceptical about DOH in general (why do we need this?) but now I see why this can be a good thing and great as well that Firefox supports it so easily.

dnzm 5y ago
How is this different from just using different DNS settings on your OS?
- dahfizz 5y ago
  Because your ISP can block a "raw" DNS request, regardless of what server you configure. Your ISP can even inspect your DNS request, and choose to give a fake response or block the request based on the domain you are requesting.
  - drexlspivey 5y ago
    Your ISP can also block the IP via reverse DNS if they want too.. If you don’t trust your ISP only a vpn will save you
malnourish 5y ago
Referring to Reuters as a propaganda outlet seems like a bold statement; what evidence led you to make that claim?
- adalu 4y ago
  I could turn the question around, what evidence do you have they aren't? I'm not going to search for every single article. Or are you seriously suggesting that Reuters is 100% free of propaganda, especially in war times? The answer your question: "common sense".
  - malnourish 4y ago
    That is an unsatisfying and fallacious response. I did not make that claim, nor did I call them a propaganda outlet. For whom are they propagandizing?
  - adamrt 4y ago
    > I could turn the question around, what evidence do you have they aren't? I don't care about either side of this argument, but you can't logically turn the question around. The burden of proof is on you, who made the claim.

pbhjpbhj 5y ago

Because USA wouldn't issue a national security letter to get dirt on foreigners? Seems like if Mozilla wanted to choose DoH as way to protect people from being spied on they wouldn't choose USA-based companies? Like "don't get caught by your own gov accessing restricted material get caught by USA gov-related organisations so they can sell you out to your own gov & benefit USA". If you're bothered about who's watching your web traffic then it seems highly unlikely you want to add USA to the list of who is watching you??

hvis 4y ago
There aren't many companies with that capability and scale outside of US. And the States are watching you anyway: most of the Internet resides there. Even the websites that don't are likely using Cloudflare or etc to save on traffic.