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And who on earth is NextDNS? Looking at their website, there's no mailing address, phone number, or other identifying information other than the names of the f

And who on earth is NextDNS? Looking at their website, there's no mailing address, phone number, or other identifying information other than the names of the founders and their Twitter links. If that doesn't qualify as some random company, I'm not sure what does! And I simply don't trust Cloudflare.

kemotep 5y ago
And that’s fair, again this is all completely customizable and in fact you are better served configuring a system/network-wide DNS host that you run yourself or trust.
- mort96 5y ago
  Most people are going to use the defaults. Giving all DNS requests for 99.9% of Firefox users to two random American companies is irresponsible.
  - kemotep 5y ago
    If it is irresponsible to utilize the services provided by companies under the jurisdiction of the United States, then using much of the internet and Firefox itself is irresponsible.
    - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
      So? That's not an argument for doing it again. 'Everyone else is taking a bung from the NSA to forward them data', for example, isn't a moral justification to do it yourself (made up example).
    - bookaway 5y ago
      The user made a conscious choice to trust one specific American company. They do not want other companies they did not personally "vet"-- with whatever weird and personal criteria they feel like -- added without their approval. This shouldn't be this hard to understand.
      - kemotep 5y ago
        And they have the option to not utilize this feature or change the settings to a service provider they do trust. The threat vector is understandable. Not making the choice to mitigate it is what does not make sense to me. Cloudflare is not an unknown operator. You can study their past behavior, their beliefs, and how their services work, and make that choice. Saying 99% of people accept the defaults and claiming this is bad without learning about what the defaults are or how to change them when it takes a few straightforward steps to do so is what does not make sense to me. Even installing Firefox in the first place is to make a conscious choice to change the defaults of nearly all operating systems that the vast majority of people on Earth use. It’s defaults will also now have a feature to encrypt your DNS queries to a third party vetted by Firefox. If you cannot trust them then why use their browser?
        newbamboo 5y ago
        I’ve studied it. “Matthew Prince, Cloudflare’s chief executive. “It’s dangerous for infrastructure companies to be making what are editorial decisions,” he said.” Not dangerous enough apparently.
brightball 5y ago
You get prompted for whether or not you want to use it. If you choose not to use it, it will continue using whatever DNS your computer is using. It's just an option. In this case, both selected options are excellent providers that I'm happy to see.

kemotep 5y ago

And that’s fair, again this is all completely customizable and in fact you are better served configuring a system/network-wide DNS host that you run yourself or trust.

mort96 5y ago
Most people are going to use the defaults. Giving all DNS requests for 99.9% of Firefox users to two random American companies is irresponsible.
- kemotep 5y ago
  If it is irresponsible to utilize the services provided by companies under the jurisdiction of the United States, then using much of the internet and Firefox itself is irresponsible.
  - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    So? That's not an argument for doing it again. 'Everyone else is taking a bung from the NSA to forward them data', for example, isn't a moral justification to do it yourself (made up example).
  - bookaway 5y ago
    The user made a conscious choice to trust one specific American company. They do not want other companies they did not personally "vet"-- with whatever weird and personal criteria they feel like -- added without their approval. This shouldn't be this hard to understand.
    - kemotep 5y ago
      And they have the option to not utilize this feature or change the settings to a service provider they do trust. The threat vector is understandable. Not making the choice to mitigate it is what does not make sense to me. Cloudflare is not an unknown operator. You can study their past behavior, their beliefs, and how their services work, and make that choice. Saying 99% of people accept the defaults and claiming this is bad without learning about what the defaults are or how to change them when it takes a few straightforward steps to do so is what does not make sense to me. Even installing Firefox in the first place is to make a conscious choice to change the defaults of nearly all operating systems that the vast majority of people on Earth use. It’s defaults will also now have a feature to encrypt your DNS queries to a third party vetted by Firefox. If you cannot trust them then why use their browser?
      - newbamboo 5y ago
        I’ve studied it. “Matthew Prince, Cloudflare’s chief executive. “It’s dangerous for infrastructure companies to be making what are editorial decisions,” he said.” Not dangerous enough apparently.

brightball 5y ago

You get prompted for whether or not you want to use it. If you choose not to use it, it will continue using whatever DNS your computer is using. It's just an option. In this case, both selected options are excellent providers that I'm happy to see.