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as I recall the SGI monitors were actually the pinnacle of Sony Trinitron CRT tech, rebadged, and connected using a 13W3 analog video link. Similar to the very

as I recall the SGI monitors were actually the pinnacle of Sony Trinitron CRT tech, rebadged, and connected using a 13W3 analog video link. Similar to the very high end Sun at the time. As neither SGI or Sun actually made CRTs, they went with the state of the art from the world's top CRT maker. Might have been some mitsubishi diamondtron in there too. In 1995 I think there were 16:9 aspect ratio japanese model TVs but I am not sure about monitors, might have been more like a 4:3 1600x1200 display.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>In 1995 I think there were 16:9 aspect ratio japanese model TVs but I am not sure about monitors, might have been more like a 4:3 1600x1200 display Nope, it was definitely 16:9, but I was mistaken, it was an Intergraph[1], not SGI like I originally thought, but still connected to an SGI workstation. Just look at this beast[1]. Also, the monitor is in the photo as well :) [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/gxvm99/legendary_intergraph_interview_28hd96_all_we_know/ https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/gxvm99/legendary...
- walrus01 5y ago
  I can't even imagine what that might have cost, it was probably sold for high-end CAD and similar...
  - dclowd9901 5y ago
    Sounds like it. A link in that thread points to someone stumbling upon a trove of six of them, owned by an avionics company.
midnightclubbed 5y ago
The SGI monitors were 4:3 but I don't recall the resolution. I do recall that they were beasts, weight of a small elephant and a not dissimilar size - you needed to pull your desk away from the wall to get any kind of distance to the screen. Over time their timings would drift and you could never get the entire screen completely sharp.
- cfn 5y ago
  And there was a button you could press to "de-magnetize" the screen which made this awesome noise!
  - lostcolony 5y ago
    Degaussing. Most(all?) CRT monitors could do that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjO2vVaxIWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjO2vVaxIWM
    - cfn 5y ago
      Yes that was the word I was looking for. I gave away my last monster CRT 20 years ago and these things fade away from memory. Thanks!
  - AyyWS 5y ago
    Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAnvHq_aFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAnvHq_aFE
    - cfn 5y ago
      Yes but I could degauss mine when it was on. The image would rotate back and forth some 30 or 40 degrees which was fun.
  - throwanem 5y ago
    Degaussing buttons were common on high-end CRT displays. They were always that fun! In the mid-2000s, I worked at a place where we had several "decommissioned" Indys living a second life as Apache servers for some of our hosting clients - not uncommon in those days. We had one of the big 19" 4:3 CRTs on a KVM, too, and its weight put a noticeable if graceful curve in the MDF desktop on which it stood.
    - rbanffy 5y ago
      There was a time I had a 20” Apple behemoth on my desk in the open plan office. Degaussing it made the image on every monitor within 3 meters curl up in magnetic agony. It was a lot of fun.
rjzzleep 5y ago
I still remember buying a dirt cheap SGI monitor back in the day. But it took a while before I figured out how to mod the cable because of sync on green.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Yeah, component cables with 5 BNCs RGB+Hsync+Vsync. Good times!!
  - jeffreygoesto 5y ago
    Fixed Frequency, crafting an X mode line on a cheap 14", no text readable during boot, fingers crossed if X came up ok, if not, swap monitors, boot with "init=/bin/bash" and goto 1...
dylan604 5y ago
There's a semi-easy way to spot a Trinitron if you knew where/how to look for the tell. There were 2 horizontal lines that were shadows from some bit of wiring that could be seen when viewing the screen when certain images/patterns like solid colors were displayed.
- rasz 5y ago
  Worked for national PC parts distributor in ~1999. We were regularly having shops trying to return CTX monitors because of the "bad lines" :)
- syncsynchalt 5y ago
  I had a Sun workstation with a beast of a 19" Trinitron CRT in the late '90s in my apartment (working remotely for a California startup) and remember it fondly. The lines you're referring to are called "damping wires" in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_grille https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_grille
- valley_guy_12 5y ago
  I remember that shadow! FWIW it was just one line in smaller Trinitrons, and it was located 1/3rd of the way from the top or bottom edge rather than in the middle. Apple mounted the Trinitron tube upside down compared to other vendors, so that the faint horizontal line would be in the bottom third of the screen rather than the top third.
- JohnBooty 5y ago
  There's an even easier way on older Trinitrons - the bulge of the glass is different. Notice how the left and right sides of the glass are straight vertical lines, and only the top and bottom edges are curved: https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-consumer-electronics-hall-of-fame-sony-trinitron https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-consumer-electronics-hall-of-f... Versus a standard CRT, where all four sides are curved: https://fineartamerica.com/featured/vintage-tv-scott-chimber.html https://fineartamerica.com/featured/vintage-tv-scott-chimber... Of course, the final-gen Trinitons (circa 2000 onward) had truly flat glass, so there was no tell-tale curvature to look for. And once Sony's patents started expiring, there were competitors like Mitsubishi's Diamondtron displays with glass shaped like Trinitrons. I'm not sure if they had the two horizontal lines like Trinitrons.
Melatonic 5y ago
You could also "overclock" them to run at higher refresh rates (frame rates, hz) depending on the resolution. The top CRT's were blowing away LCD's for many, many years. Good color, higher refresh, good dynamic range, etc etc. Those 21" CRT's were massive but I held onto my second hand one for as long as I could. I remember getting the VGA adapter for the Dreamcast and it looked damn good on that CRT!
- zozbot234 5y ago
  Driving CRTs at bad frequencies was a common way of letting all the magic smoke out, back in the day.
  - Melatonic 5y ago
    Throwing them in a trash bin and then smashing them with a sledge hammer was also a good way to do that and a bit louder :-D
  - rasz 5y ago
    This is a myth, true only to some very early(as in 87-89) VGA fixed frequency monitors.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>In 1995 I think there were 16:9 aspect ratio japanese model TVs but I am not sure about monitors, might have been more like a 4:3 1600x1200 display Nope, it was definitely 16:9, but I was mistaken, it was an Intergraph[1], not SGI like I originally thought, but still connected to an SGI workstation. Just look at this beast[1]. Also, the monitor is in the photo as well :) [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/gxvm99/legendary_intergraph_interview_28hd96_all_we_know/ https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/gxvm99/legendary...

walrus01 5y ago
I can't even imagine what that might have cost, it was probably sold for high-end CAD and similar...
- dclowd9901 5y ago
  Sounds like it. A link in that thread points to someone stumbling upon a trove of six of them, owned by an avionics company.

midnightclubbed 5y ago

The SGI monitors were 4:3 but I don't recall the resolution. I do recall that they were beasts, weight of a small elephant and a not dissimilar size - you needed to pull your desk away from the wall to get any kind of distance to the screen. Over time their timings would drift and you could never get the entire screen completely sharp.

cfn 5y ago
And there was a button you could press to "de-magnetize" the screen which made this awesome noise!
- lostcolony 5y ago
  Degaussing. Most(all?) CRT monitors could do that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjO2vVaxIWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjO2vVaxIWM
  - cfn 5y ago
    Yes that was the word I was looking for. I gave away my last monster CRT 20 years ago and these things fade away from memory. Thanks!
- AyyWS 5y ago
  Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAnvHq_aFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAnvHq_aFE
  - cfn 5y ago
    Yes but I could degauss mine when it was on. The image would rotate back and forth some 30 or 40 degrees which was fun.
- throwanem 5y ago
  Degaussing buttons were common on high-end CRT displays. They were always that fun! In the mid-2000s, I worked at a place where we had several "decommissioned" Indys living a second life as Apache servers for some of our hosting clients - not uncommon in those days. We had one of the big 19" 4:3 CRTs on a KVM, too, and its weight put a noticeable if graceful curve in the MDF desktop on which it stood.
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    There was a time I had a 20” Apple behemoth on my desk in the open plan office. Degaussing it made the image on every monitor within 3 meters curl up in magnetic agony. It was a lot of fun.

rjzzleep 5y ago

I still remember buying a dirt cheap SGI monitor back in the day. But it took a while before I figured out how to mod the cable because of sync on green.

dylan604 5y ago
Yeah, component cables with 5 BNCs RGB+Hsync+Vsync. Good times!!
- jeffreygoesto 5y ago
  Fixed Frequency, crafting an X mode line on a cheap 14", no text readable during boot, fingers crossed if X came up ok, if not, swap monitors, boot with "init=/bin/bash" and goto 1...

dylan604 5y ago

There's a semi-easy way to spot a Trinitron if you knew where/how to look for the tell. There were 2 horizontal lines that were shadows from some bit of wiring that could be seen when viewing the screen when certain images/patterns like solid colors were displayed.

rasz 5y ago
Worked for national PC parts distributor in ~1999. We were regularly having shops trying to return CTX monitors because of the "bad lines" :)
syncsynchalt 5y ago
I had a Sun workstation with a beast of a 19" Trinitron CRT in the late '90s in my apartment (working remotely for a California startup) and remember it fondly. The lines you're referring to are called "damping wires" in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_grille https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_grille
valley_guy_12 5y ago
I remember that shadow! FWIW it was just one line in smaller Trinitrons, and it was located 1/3rd of the way from the top or bottom edge rather than in the middle. Apple mounted the Trinitron tube upside down compared to other vendors, so that the faint horizontal line would be in the bottom third of the screen rather than the top third.
JohnBooty 5y ago
There's an even easier way on older Trinitrons - the bulge of the glass is different. Notice how the left and right sides of the glass are straight vertical lines, and only the top and bottom edges are curved: https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-consumer-electronics-hall-of-fame-sony-trinitron https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-consumer-electronics-hall-of-f... Versus a standard CRT, where all four sides are curved: https://fineartamerica.com/featured/vintage-tv-scott-chimber.html https://fineartamerica.com/featured/vintage-tv-scott-chimber... Of course, the final-gen Trinitons (circa 2000 onward) had truly flat glass, so there was no tell-tale curvature to look for. And once Sony's patents started expiring, there were competitors like Mitsubishi's Diamondtron displays with glass shaped like Trinitrons. I'm not sure if they had the two horizontal lines like Trinitrons.

Melatonic 5y ago

You could also "overclock" them to run at higher refresh rates (frame rates, hz) depending on the resolution. The top CRT's were blowing away LCD's for many, many years. Good color, higher refresh, good dynamic range, etc etc. Those 21" CRT's were massive but I held onto my second hand one for as long as I could. I remember getting the VGA adapter for the Dreamcast and it looked damn good on that CRT!

zozbot234 5y ago
Driving CRTs at bad frequencies was a common way of letting all the magic smoke out, back in the day.
- Melatonic 5y ago
  Throwing them in a trash bin and then smashing them with a sledge hammer was also a good way to do that and a bit louder :-D
- rasz 5y ago
  This is a myth, true only to some very early(as in 87-89) VGA fixed frequency monitors.