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How many do you think are scared of becoming pariahs by saying anything counter to popular narrative? I'd say it's a significant number. Wouldn't want to lose

How many do you think are scared of becoming pariahs by saying anything counter to popular narrative? I'd say it's a significant number. Wouldn't want to lose the chance to ever get a research project funded again.

shapefrog 5y ago
I would go with a negative number - by definition every scientific discovery is replacing the null hypothesis or as you say - "popular narrative" (wtf does that mean anyway? is this like 'main stream media' or some other made up dog whistle?).
- throwntoday 5y ago
  You seem confused. Popular narrative is not driven by scientist, it's driven by saber rattling morons who will crucify anyone that speaks against them. For example, what the scientific community understood about efficacy of masks, and how utterly useless cloth masks are, disappeared overnight with covid. Perhaps your memory is failing you but I can recall people being chastised for even suggesting they might be useless. And don't even bother trying to spin some bullshit about it's better than nothing. Attaching a cloth to your face and exposing it to warm/wet air all day is a great way to start a personal mold culture you can breathe in later. And before you try to say "well you should wash them after each use", how many people do you think actually do that? And if you wanna get real spicy, let's talk about the "science" behind transgenderism. Discovered by your favorite tumblr user, and beaten into pop culture by the woke mob.
  - shapefrog 5y ago
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    Cloth masks are not as good as properly fitted KN95/99 masks, but they are not utterly useless. There's a ton of evidence supporting this, and it doesn't help your argument to deny it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510705/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510705/
    - nradov 5y ago
      Cloth masks do very little. I recommend you listen to the explanations by infectious disease experts Dr. Monica Gandhi and Dr. Michael Osterholm. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VSukFrMYGae1ILd0e4HuR?si=FEwYWMPWQ72FwsqddgKung https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VSukFrMYGae1ILd0e4HuR?si=F...
      - shapefrog 5y ago
        Cloth masks do very little > utterly useless. Litterally orders of magnitude.
        throwntoday 5y ago
        When the potential downsides are greater than the upside, I would classify it as useless if not outright dangerous.
        shapefrog 5y ago
        You seem to be one of those drivers of "popular narrative"
        throwntoday 5y ago
        It truly is easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled. Best of luck to you lad.
        shapefrog 5y ago
        > saber rattling morons who will crucify anyone that speaks against them. Consider me crucified.
        throwntoday 5y ago
        You won't even accept they are useless now that the narrative has shifted back to that. I don't know what else to tell you mate.
adrianN 5y ago
If they have the data that supports their claims, papers who counter the popular narrative are about the most valuable thing a scientist can publish to further their career. Nobody cites papers that just reproduce existing results.
- nicky0 5y ago
  It's not so much the popular narrative, but rather the profitable narrative, that is difficult to go against.

shapefrog 5y ago

I would go with a negative number - by definition every scientific discovery is replacing the null hypothesis or as you say - "popular narrative" (wtf does that mean anyway? is this like 'main stream media' or some other made up dog whistle?).

throwntoday 5y ago
You seem confused. Popular narrative is not driven by scientist, it's driven by saber rattling morons who will crucify anyone that speaks against them. For example, what the scientific community understood about efficacy of masks, and how utterly useless cloth masks are, disappeared overnight with covid. Perhaps your memory is failing you but I can recall people being chastised for even suggesting they might be useless. And don't even bother trying to spin some bullshit about it's better than nothing. Attaching a cloth to your face and exposing it to warm/wet air all day is a great way to start a personal mold culture you can breathe in later. And before you try to say "well you should wash them after each use", how many people do you think actually do that? And if you wanna get real spicy, let's talk about the "science" behind transgenderism. Discovered by your favorite tumblr user, and beaten into pop culture by the woke mob.
- shapefrog 5y ago
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  Cloth masks are not as good as properly fitted KN95/99 masks, but they are not utterly useless. There's a ton of evidence supporting this, and it doesn't help your argument to deny it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510705/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510705/
  - nradov 5y ago
    Cloth masks do very little. I recommend you listen to the explanations by infectious disease experts Dr. Monica Gandhi and Dr. Michael Osterholm. https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VSukFrMYGae1ILd0e4HuR?si=FEwYWMPWQ72FwsqddgKung https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VSukFrMYGae1ILd0e4HuR?si=F...
    - shapefrog 5y ago
      Cloth masks do very little > utterly useless. Litterally orders of magnitude.
      - throwntoday 5y ago
        When the potential downsides are greater than the upside, I would classify it as useless if not outright dangerous.
        shapefrog 5y ago
        You seem to be one of those drivers of "popular narrative"
        throwntoday 5y ago
        It truly is easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled. Best of luck to you lad.
        shapefrog 5y ago
        > saber rattling morons who will crucify anyone that speaks against them. Consider me crucified.
        throwntoday 5y ago
        You won't even accept they are useless now that the narrative has shifted back to that. I don't know what else to tell you mate.

adrianN 5y ago

If they have the data that supports their claims, papers who counter the popular narrative are about the most valuable thing a scientist can publish to further their career. Nobody cites papers that just reproduce existing results.

nicky0 5y ago
It's not so much the popular narrative, but rather the profitable narrative, that is difficult to go against.