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Sex workers can't order DoorDash because of cross-platform surveillance
- aftbit 5y agoWhat is this "cross-platform surveillance"? How does DoorDash know that they're a sex worker, and why do they care?
- viro 5y agoI bet you it had something to do with doordash gift cards from clients/viewers, which would trigger fraud "stuff".
- joshcryer 5y agoMore likely she had clients simply deliver food to her place, lots of different clients at the same location, it would send red flags to the fraud detection algorithms. Rather than have a system in place asking clients if they chose that delivery they just silently ban the address. (Yes, I read the thread and how she had the food sent to another place, that could've been the triggering event for the algorithm.) She should just list her place on AirBnB and it would probably be sorted.
- vineyardmike 5y agoMy guess is they have some list of addresses/numbers that are banned (supposedly due to high fraud risk etc) that they just buy from another company instead of building themselves. The OP said they tried to deliver to a brothel so that could be a banned address.
- ajford 5y agoerm... a hostel [0] is NOT a brothel [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostel [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothel
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- joshcryer 5y agoAlso hostels being cheap dorm like hotels will have serious delivery traffic, they wouldn't ban a hostel.
- vineyardmike 5y agooooops an embarrassing mis-read of the tweets!
- sharemywin 5y agoFound a similar article from one of the twitter comments https://www.inputmag.com/culture/report-airbnb-owns-ai-tech-that-discriminates-against-sex-workers https://www.inputmag.com/culture/report-airbnb-owns-ai-tech-...
- yakak 5y agoSpeaking of cross platform surveillance, can we get an auto link to cached tweets or something?
- notriddle 5y agohttps://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1511052312718028805.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1511052312718028805.html
- peanut_worm 5y agothis website makes twitter threads even harder to read lol
- OGWhales 5y agoI think nitter does a better job: https://nitter.net/MistressSnowPhD/status/1511052312718028805 https://nitter.net/MistressSnowPhD/status/151105231271802880...
- joshcryer 5y agoNot enough love for Nitter. Nitter is how websites like Twitter should be. Only text and images, lightweight, fast. Try loading Twitter on an old PC (say, Win7 era). It will come to a complete crawl. For text and some images.
- colpabar 5y agoI can't help but admit to some schadenfreude here. Where are all the claims of doordash being a private business that can do whatever it wants? Why isn't anyone advocating to build your own food delivery platform?
- standardUser 5y agoSex work is consensual, doesn't target anyone, does not create a victim, doesn't diminish anyone else's rights, so why would it be comparable to hate-mongers being de-platformed?
- commandlinefan 5y ago> consensual, doesn't target anyone, does not create a victim, doesn't diminish anyone else's rights Neither does tweeting that you won a presidential election but here we are.
- sleepdreamy 5y agoWhat about starting a failed insurrection? Can we relate that to sex workers as well?
- pfisch 5y agoIf it culminates in plans to end democracy it does.
- henriquez 5y agoIf an election is rigged and an entrenched Deep State installs a fake president then wouldn’t that also end democracy?
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- donkarma 5y agojust make your own food delivery service :^)
- oh_sigh 5y agoFor someone who is at the "UCLA Center for Critical Internet Inquiry", there is a startling lack of desire to provide details to the allegations. In all the tweets and associated articles, just the claim is being made, along with statements like "I literally have a PhD I know what I'm talking about", and "this consistent disbelief by other ppl/workers/researchers is imo our biggest obstacle. not only do ppl not believe us when we share how we’re treated, they don’t believe that the conditions for that treatment exist in the first place." That may be because no supporting details are provided...
- rendall 5y agoI noticed that too.
- commandlinefan 5y agoI remember a Douglas Adams book (one of the hitchhiker's guide books I think, but I can't remember which one) that had a planet where every inhabitant broadcast their thoughts ESP style, so the planet started playing loud music everywhere to drown out each other's thoughts because they were so horrified to find out what everybody else had been thinking. Of course, it was a funny Douglas Adams throwaway joke, but it got me thinking - if we could actual hear each other's thoughts, would we be horrified or relieved to find out how many people were actually thinking the same things we were thinking? Maybe rather than blocking out each other's thoughts, maybe we'd suddenly get to be more reasonable about each other's thoughts. The internet is slowly creating a world where we're discovering that a lot of the things that we assumed were pretty rare and unusual are... actually pretty common. We can either insist on going back to pretending that the world is a certain way that TV has been presenting it for decades, or start to collectively become a lot more reasonable about how the world actually is.
- inkywatcher 5y agoThe premise that reading someone else's thought would be horrifying to the point where you would stop loving or respecting them dates at least to Young Goodman Brown, by Nathaniel Hawthorne. Not very long / worth a read.
- causi 5y agoThe internet is slowly creating a world where we're discovering that a lot of the things that we assumed were pretty rare and unusual are... actually pretty common. That doesn't necessarily mean they're ok. For example, imagine being an attractive woman and thought-hearing "my god look at those tits" every single time you walk into a room. Frankly I'd rather the whole world not sound like 4chan.
- slibhb 5y agoIt's good thing that we can't thought-hear then because 4chan is a hell of a lot closer to "what's going on inside people's minds" than polite society.
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- jdrc 5y ago"make love not war" sounds like a timely category
- burnished 5y agoI'm having a hard time finding proof in that twitter chain, but I was also having a hard time just understanding it. A commenter here dug up https://www.inputmag.com/culture/report-airbnb-owns-ai-tech-that-discriminates-against-sex-workers https://www.inputmag.com/culture/report-airbnb-owns-ai-tech-... so reading between the lines, it appears that they have the capacity to have banned her for whoring but there doesn't appear to be any 'smoking gun' connection. I'm a little torn. I've seen lots of complaints "XYZ banned me for NO REASON", but when it gets dug into it turns out there were lots of reasons, but on the other hand the smokescreen that Door Dash (and other companies!) give themselves by stating vague "violations of our terms of service.." combined with their capacity to actually do this makes it difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't know what to think, but I figured others might also be looking for proof.
- noirscape 5y agoThe person in question here probably didn't get banned for being a sex worker. The actual reason is fairly easily understood by examining the second tweet of the original chain. She tried to order DoorDash for someone in LA that she was fundraising for whilst she herself is in New York City (her bio states she works for the New York University). My guess is that the mismatch of her geolocation versus the place she ordered at triggered an anti-abuse algorithm and disabled the account "just in case". Mind you that she also openly opposed trying to figure anything out from the support (apparently contacting DoorDash' PR account through DMs is "doxxing her to DoorDash", which y'know is weird since she already was a customer at DoorDash) and seems to be golden hammering the reason based on her own professions (when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail). For their part, DoorDash has openly said that they don't give a damn to the DailyDot and that her refusal to try and talk with DoorDash is the only real hindrance to them doing something about it: https://www.dailydot.com/debug/dominatrix-banned-from-doordash/ https://www.dailydot.com/debug/dominatrix-banned-from-doorda...
- no_butterscotch 5y agoRelated to AirBnB using AI: https://cnsnews.com/commentary/michelle-malkin/michelle-malkin-why-airbnb-banned-me-and-my-hubby-too https://cnsnews.com/commentary/michelle-malkin/michelle-malk.... AirBnB will ban you from using their platform if you attend conferences that are controversial if they can find your name/info.
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- amelius 5y agoMeanwhile, I can't watch sex videos on my Oculus Quest because of cross-platform surveillance ... Silicon Valley, if your tech is so good, then why do you need to spy on me?
- blaser-waffle 5y agoThe tech is fine. They want money, either by cutting corners, removing any / all risk, or data mining the hell out of anything they can.
- spaced-out 5y agoCan someone help me understand what caused Doordash to block the account? The title says "cross platform surveillance" but the ban message says they noticed issues on their own account.
- bastawhiz 5y agoI call bs. It's far more likely that the card or email was flagged for chargeback history, the account was abusing customer support (saying items were missing, etc.), you showed up somewhere else doing fraud (e.g., your email was found in a fraudster message board, you were card cashing, you were using stolen gift cards), or any number of things. There's zero reason to believe it's because this person is sex worker without further evidence. This is all just speculation.
- JaceLightning 5y agoI bet she was going to several different houses and ordering food. Some algorithm probably saw that as fraud since most people probably only have one or two locations where they order food to.
- MisterTea 5y agoSay I'm a worker working in different homes/buildings on a daily basis like an HVAC tech or plumber and use doordash to deliver food to the job site. How is that fraud? Or are they discriminating by time thinking no "legit" work happens door to door after 5pm save for people doing unpopular things?
- 0x_rs 5y agoWhat's the most likely explanation? Addresses of hostels raising a red flag because of past abuse, and most companies do just that. What does "sex workers" or "cross-platform surveillance" have to do with it? From what I can gather, nothing, it being an unsubstantiated twitter thread.