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What would the alternative be if US banned all independent media sources (like Russia did)?

d0mine 5y ago
unrelated: could you name one just one US media source that you consider to be independent (with an anti-war article where US is perpetrator).
- Symbiote 5y ago
  You have changed the question. Russia has banned foreign media, in addition to restricting local media to publishing the government view. Since I'm British, and you'd probably consider the US and UK equivalent for this purpose, here's a major British newspaper article arguing against NATO action in Libya: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothing-moral-nato-intervention-libya https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothin... (Given https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US, it probably counts for the US anyway.)
  - NoOn3 5y ago
    I understand that Russian ban of foreign media is not good, but some west countries banned Russian media too and created special difficulties for them early...
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    - yywwbbn 5y ago
      Generally I don’t support limiting free speech or even banning Russia TV channels in this case. But let’s not pretend that quasi independent government propaganda department are equivalent to western media companies.
      - NoOn3 5y ago
        As a Russian that make me sad that our media uses such a very hacky work strategy, sometimes add fakes some times try to color clearly events in the beneficial side. But I think that it's clearly in Russian media and Russian political view point has some clear truths that Western media not always want to show and our media could have represented their point of view much better. But I saw fakes in western media too, and quite often, although perhaps in smaller quantities... I even know one News TV presenter on Russian central channel it's strange, but it seems to me that he never say fakes, does not try to embellish events in one direction or another, but it only airs on Saturday evenings news and then not every time.
- stefanfisk 5y ago
  https://www.democracynow.org https://www.democracynow.org has plenty.
- yywwbbn 5y ago
  Comedy Central. Technically not an article, but Jon Stewart (also technically not a journalist, but imho he was better at being one than actual journalists) was pretty open about opposing the Iraq war. I assume in Russia he’d already be serving his 15+ year sentence? Yes the US has problems. But Russia is just on another level considering that being a free and independent media source is literally illegal there.
- kasey_junk 5y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder Famously debunked the justifications for the Iraq war at the time they were being spread. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fox-news-coverage-ukraine https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-... The Russians view Fox News as a balanced news source. Walter Kronkite, perhaps the most famous TV anchor in US history was publicly against the Vietnam war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite
  - d0mine 5y ago
    Is there an example of the media that still exist today? Iraq war is where "embed" journalism became the only acceptable source where journalists were killed by US.
    - kasey_junk 5y ago
      That link about Fox News is from two weeks ago. Fox News is the most widely watched news network in the US. Tucker Carlson has the highest rated show on that network and has taken an anti-Ukraine stance.
      - d0mine 5y ago
        I don't believe you are seriously considering Fox News to be independent (I wouldn't even consider it as a source of information). The insanity that they are spewing is just a tool to create the illusion of a debate.
- FormerBandmate 5y ago
  The Intercept, the Grey Zone, and a bunch of other American media sources literally take the opposite position of the government every time
- SamBam 5y ago
  You're joking, right? US media has published plenty of anti-war articles where the US was the perpetrator. Even forgetting the Pentagon Papers already mentioned, papers have published the abuses in Guantanamo and the Iraq War Logs. Plenty of articles have documented killings of civilians by US drones. And plenty of editorial boards have written articles calling on the US to end whatever current war it's fighting. Sure, big media probably kowtows more to the government than we'd like, but they absolutely are free criticize the wartime actions of the government.
startoffs 5y ago
US has done it's fair share of banning . Trump even tried to ban TikTok.
- kasey_junk 5y ago
  What media sources has the US banned? Trump tried and failed to ban TikTok is exactly the difference being discussed.

unrelated: could you name one just one US media source that you consider to be independent (with an anti-war article where US is perpetrator).

Symbiote 5y ago
You have changed the question. Russia has banned foreign media, in addition to restricting local media to publishing the government view. Since I'm British, and you'd probably consider the US and UK equivalent for this purpose, here's a major British newspaper article arguing against NATO action in Libya: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothing-moral-nato-intervention-libya https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothin... (Given https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US, it probably counts for the US anyway.)
- NoOn3 5y ago
  I understand that Russian ban of foreign media is not good, but some west countries banned Russian media too and created special difficulties for them early...
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  - yywwbbn 5y ago
    Generally I don’t support limiting free speech or even banning Russia TV channels in this case. But let’s not pretend that quasi independent government propaganda department are equivalent to western media companies.
    - NoOn3 5y ago
      As a Russian that make me sad that our media uses such a very hacky work strategy, sometimes add fakes some times try to color clearly events in the beneficial side. But I think that it's clearly in Russian media and Russian political view point has some clear truths that Western media not always want to show and our media could have represented their point of view much better. But I saw fakes in western media too, and quite often, although perhaps in smaller quantities... I even know one News TV presenter on Russian central channel it's strange, but it seems to me that he never say fakes, does not try to embellish events in one direction or another, but it only airs on Saturday evenings news and then not every time.
stefanfisk 5y ago
https://www.democracynow.org https://www.democracynow.org has plenty.
yywwbbn 5y ago
Comedy Central. Technically not an article, but Jon Stewart (also technically not a journalist, but imho he was better at being one than actual journalists) was pretty open about opposing the Iraq war. I assume in Russia he’d already be serving his 15+ year sentence? Yes the US has problems. But Russia is just on another level considering that being a free and independent media source is literally illegal there.
kasey_junk 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder Famously debunked the justifications for the Iraq war at the time they were being spread. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fox-news-coverage-ukraine https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-... The Russians view Fox News as a balanced news source. Walter Kronkite, perhaps the most famous TV anchor in US history was publicly against the Vietnam war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite
- d0mine 5y ago
  Is there an example of the media that still exist today? Iraq war is where "embed" journalism became the only acceptable source where journalists were killed by US.
  - kasey_junk 5y ago
    That link about Fox News is from two weeks ago. Fox News is the most widely watched news network in the US. Tucker Carlson has the highest rated show on that network and has taken an anti-Ukraine stance.
    - d0mine 5y ago
      I don't believe you are seriously considering Fox News to be independent (I wouldn't even consider it as a source of information). The insanity that they are spewing is just a tool to create the illusion of a debate.
FormerBandmate 5y ago
The Intercept, the Grey Zone, and a bunch of other American media sources literally take the opposite position of the government every time
SamBam 5y ago
You're joking, right? US media has published plenty of anti-war articles where the US was the perpetrator. Even forgetting the Pentagon Papers already mentioned, papers have published the abuses in Guantanamo and the Iraq War Logs. Plenty of articles have documented killings of civilians by US drones. And plenty of editorial boards have written articles calling on the US to end whatever current war it's fighting. Sure, big media probably kowtows more to the government than we'd like, but they absolutely are free criticize the wartime actions of the government.

startoffs 5y ago

US has done it's fair share of banning . Trump even tried to ban TikTok.

kasey_junk 5y ago
What media sources has the US banned? Trump tried and failed to ban TikTok is exactly the difference being discussed.