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I see headlines like this and I realize that a significant portion of the public would read it and immediately say "OK, 'never'."

DangitBobby 5y ago
I immediately responded with "never". It's always been "never". Honestly, I don't know how the climate scientists keep publishing their reports year after year with full knowledge that it won't be acted on.
- chimprich 5y ago
  It's a bit depressing that it hasn't even made the front page of HN yet.
incomingpain 5y ago
>I see headlines like this and I realize that a significant portion of the public would read it and immediately say "OK, 'never'." Right but it's not that they are 'science deniers' or whatever name you have for them. The reality is that the worst polluters like China, India, and USA are simply not going to stop. I don't see this ever changing. It is never. What are we going to do more than we already have? Flipside, what's even the fix here? Planting trees? Canada has 10,000 trees per person. They are considered are worst emitting source. Trees are used against us. Should mismanaged forests going through forest fires be used against us? I dont think so. What does that seem to recommend? Clear cutting all our trees seems to be the correct move for climate change? How about we keep our trees and just go with never.
- sterlind 5y ago
  you admit the forests are mismanaged.. can you not just like, manage the forests better? or clear cut fire breaks? or spend more on fire control?
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    We can’t even manage water and that’s theoretically easier
  - incomingpain 5y ago
    >you admit the forests are mismanaged.. can you not just like, manage the forests better? or clear cut fire breaks? or spend more on fire control? I don't know much about the forests but Climate Change folks sure don't like how we are managing them. I'll agree they were mismanaged. Worse yet, Canadian taxpayers pay a ton of money to manage all these forests. What are we getting for it? You leave the damned forests alone and they self-manage. How the hell did we get a worse result? Canadian government is run by Liberal and NDP coalition, who has been in power for multiple governments now. They are the ones who brought in a carbon tax and have even raised it just recently again. What did this tax revenue get us? Nothing. Less than nothing, they just created more debt for government than all previous governments combined. I think to myself, what if I were absolute monarch? What do I do? Where's the billions from this carbon tax? Solar panels paid for by carbon tax. Every house is to get an array of solar panels? Nope, nobody seems to be planning that. How about electric cars? Well ya, Canada/Ontario or really the doug ford government is the one who got us setup to build batteries and evs. The guy who opposes the carbon tax and tried to get it killed...
specialist 5y ago
Some people would rather watch the whole world burn than cede one iota of power. "Power concedes nothing without a demand." -- Frederick Douglas We live in a vetocracy. We protangonists do not have enough juice to override vetoes. Yet? Ever? I don't know and can't even guess. In my despair, I've settled on adaptation and survival, hoping some fraction of society mamages to muddle thru the next century (and beyond).
- imtringued 5y ago
  In my hope, I've settled on hoping for the worst for a beautiful "told you so" moment. If the worst happens, we deserve it. So why despair?

DangitBobby 5y ago

I immediately responded with "never". It's always been "never". Honestly, I don't know how the climate scientists keep publishing their reports year after year with full knowledge that it won't be acted on.

chimprich 5y ago
It's a bit depressing that it hasn't even made the front page of HN yet.

incomingpain 5y ago

>I see headlines like this and I realize that a significant portion of the public would read it and immediately say "OK, 'never'." Right but it's not that they are 'science deniers' or whatever name you have for them. The reality is that the worst polluters like China, India, and USA are simply not going to stop. I don't see this ever changing. It is never. What are we going to do more than we already have? Flipside, what's even the fix here? Planting trees? Canada has 10,000 trees per person. They are considered are worst emitting source. Trees are used against us. Should mismanaged forests going through forest fires be used against us? I dont think so. What does that seem to recommend? Clear cutting all our trees seems to be the correct move for climate change? How about we keep our trees and just go with never.

sterlind 5y ago
you admit the forests are mismanaged.. can you not just like, manage the forests better? or clear cut fire breaks? or spend more on fire control?
- rdtwo 5y ago
  We can’t even manage water and that’s theoretically easier
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >you admit the forests are mismanaged.. can you not just like, manage the forests better? or clear cut fire breaks? or spend more on fire control? I don't know much about the forests but Climate Change folks sure don't like how we are managing them. I'll agree they were mismanaged. Worse yet, Canadian taxpayers pay a ton of money to manage all these forests. What are we getting for it? You leave the damned forests alone and they self-manage. How the hell did we get a worse result? Canadian government is run by Liberal and NDP coalition, who has been in power for multiple governments now. They are the ones who brought in a carbon tax and have even raised it just recently again. What did this tax revenue get us? Nothing. Less than nothing, they just created more debt for government than all previous governments combined. I think to myself, what if I were absolute monarch? What do I do? Where's the billions from this carbon tax? Solar panels paid for by carbon tax. Every house is to get an array of solar panels? Nope, nobody seems to be planning that. How about electric cars? Well ya, Canada/Ontario or really the doug ford government is the one who got us setup to build batteries and evs. The guy who opposes the carbon tax and tried to get it killed...

specialist 5y ago

Some people would rather watch the whole world burn than cede one iota of power. "Power concedes nothing without a demand." -- Frederick Douglas We live in a vetocracy. We protangonists do not have enough juice to override vetoes. Yet? Ever? I don't know and can't even guess. In my despair, I've settled on adaptation and survival, hoping some fraction of society mamages to muddle thru the next century (and beyond).

imtringued 5y ago
In my hope, I've settled on hoping for the worst for a beautiful "told you so" moment. If the worst happens, we deserve it. So why despair?