7 ms·

More profitable, more open, and more fair to all voices. Twitter has become a liberal vacuum that, as a liberal, has gone way too far to the left in silencing v

More profitable, more open, and more fair to all voices. Twitter has become a liberal vacuum that, as a liberal, has gone way too far to the left in silencing voices. It's not a private company, it's a public company, and I hope Elon turns it around into a true, free speech town square, instead of just an echo chamber for blue checks.

frob 5y ago
No, it is literally a private company. Which is why we are having this discussion based off of SEC filings. Edit: sorry, I mixed up public company and public good. Twitter is a public company, but not a public good.
- himinlomax 5y ago
  If it wasn't a public company, it wouldn't be under the SEC's jurisdiction.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > If it wasn't a public company, it wouldn't be under the SEC's jurisdiction All securities are under the SEC's jurisdiction, including those issued by unlisted companies, e.g. start-ups.
- xeromal 5y ago
  I believe they mean public in the publically-traded sense, but I agree with you. It's not in the public (citizen controlled) sense
- Ajay-p 5y ago
  I don't think that means what you think it means, perhaps you are international? A Public company is one that is owned by shareholders of a public exchange. This is why Elon can buy into it and become a member of the board. If it were a private company he could not do that.
- dahfizz 5y ago
  No, it is literally a public company. TWTR is traded on NASDAQ. Which is why we are having this discussion based off of SEC filings. Private companies are not required to file with the SEC.
nemothekid 5y ago
>More profitable, more open, and more fair to all voices. I wonder if people who say things like this actually use Twitter. Twitter has far less moderation than the other social media giants. It’s a high school popularity contest, and the cool kids didn’t need blue check marks from the teachers to be cool.
Jiejeing 5y ago
"As a liberal, twitter has gone way too far to the left in silencing voices?" Twitter moderation is blind on harassment, nazis who brag about it are using the platform to dox people without any repercussions, send death threats, etc. what the hell are you even talking about?
- _bfhp 5y ago
  > blind Wow that's very troubling. Can you show some examples of studies, or representative serious anecdotes?
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Sounds like a job for the legal system, not yet another secret kangaroo court run by people with a very narrow ideological bent.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    The legal system is too slow. If twitter couldn't moderate itself it wouldn't be moderated. That may sound good, but honestly, think about it for a second. That would pretty much be the end of twitter.
freshpots 5y ago
Blue checks do not equal blue voices, but you already know that. Twitter is the worst mainstream platform when it comes to right wing propaganda and scientific misinformation. Free speech in this case is code for saying anything without consequence and weaponizing it at morons. Twitter excels at it already, let's not make it worse.
- _bfhp 5y ago
  Do you think the government should censor incorrect or hateful speech and if not, why not?
  - tayo42 5y ago
    The conversation is about Twitter, why are you bringing up the government.
    - _bfhp 5y ago
      It's a really simple question (yes or no, and just a single sentence about the reasoning if "no") and I hope the principle of charity can be extended when I say the discussion will come back to Twitter very quickly. The OP hasn't provided their answer but I'd be interested in your answer too!
  - freshpots 5y ago
    I wasn't talking about the government. Don't distract from the topic.
    - _bfhp 5y ago
      You were talking about free speech: > Free speech in this case is code for saying anything without consequence and weaponizing it at morons. I was just curious if the government's guarantee not to censor political speech is just as ill-advised. A quick "yes" would take about 5 seconds to give, or of not, just a short sentence about what the motivation is for keeping the government out of policing political speech. e.g. "If the government can suppress political speech, then..." Doesn't seem like a huge ask for the curious!

frob 5y ago

No, it is literally a private company. Which is why we are having this discussion based off of SEC filings. Edit: sorry, I mixed up public company and public good. Twitter is a public company, but not a public good.

himinlomax 5y ago
If it wasn't a public company, it wouldn't be under the SEC's jurisdiction.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > If it wasn't a public company, it wouldn't be under the SEC's jurisdiction All securities are under the SEC's jurisdiction, including those issued by unlisted companies, e.g. start-ups.
xeromal 5y ago
I believe they mean public in the publically-traded sense, but I agree with you. It's not in the public (citizen controlled) sense
Ajay-p 5y ago
I don't think that means what you think it means, perhaps you are international? A Public company is one that is owned by shareholders of a public exchange. This is why Elon can buy into it and become a member of the board. If it were a private company he could not do that.
dahfizz 5y ago
No, it is literally a public company. TWTR is traded on NASDAQ. Which is why we are having this discussion based off of SEC filings. Private companies are not required to file with the SEC.

nemothekid 5y ago

>More profitable, more open, and more fair to all voices. I wonder if people who say things like this actually use Twitter. Twitter has far less moderation than the other social media giants. It’s a high school popularity contest, and the cool kids didn’t need blue check marks from the teachers to be cool.

Jiejeing 5y ago

"As a liberal, twitter has gone way too far to the left in silencing voices?" Twitter moderation is blind on harassment, nazis who brag about it are using the platform to dox people without any repercussions, send death threats, etc. what the hell are you even talking about?

_bfhp 5y ago
> blind Wow that's very troubling. Can you show some examples of studies, or representative serious anecdotes?
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
Sounds like a job for the legal system, not yet another secret kangaroo court run by people with a very narrow ideological bent.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  The legal system is too slow. If twitter couldn't moderate itself it wouldn't be moderated. That may sound good, but honestly, think about it for a second. That would pretty much be the end of twitter.

freshpots 5y ago

Blue checks do not equal blue voices, but you already know that. Twitter is the worst mainstream platform when it comes to right wing propaganda and scientific misinformation. Free speech in this case is code for saying anything without consequence and weaponizing it at morons. Twitter excels at it already, let's not make it worse.

_bfhp 5y ago
Do you think the government should censor incorrect or hateful speech and if not, why not?
- tayo42 5y ago
  The conversation is about Twitter, why are you bringing up the government.
  - _bfhp 5y ago
    It's a really simple question (yes or no, and just a single sentence about the reasoning if "no") and I hope the principle of charity can be extended when I say the discussion will come back to Twitter very quickly. The OP hasn't provided their answer but I'd be interested in your answer too!
- freshpots 5y ago
  I wasn't talking about the government. Don't distract from the topic.
  - _bfhp 5y ago
    You were talking about free speech: > Free speech in this case is code for saying anything without consequence and weaponizing it at morons. I was just curious if the government's guarantee not to censor political speech is just as ill-advised. A quick "yes" would take about 5 seconds to give, or of not, just a short sentence about what the motivation is for keeping the government out of policing political speech. e.g. "If the government can suppress political speech, then..." Doesn't seem like a huge ask for the curious!