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Currently it's probably the same stuff as the original McDonalds. Eventually the quality will deteriorate due to lack of supervision - unless Russians will do a

Currently it's probably the same stuff as the original McDonalds. Eventually the quality will deteriorate due to lack of supervision - unless Russians will do an equal job in supervising, which I doubt.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>Eventually the quality will deteriorate What quality? Even in Austria, at some really busy McD's I've been to like the train station or airport, their finished burgers looked nothing like the ones in the menu. Often they had components like the cheese, lettuce and sauces missing and I got just a dry paddy between two barren pieces of bread as a burger lol. It was uneatable so I had to throw it away and buy a sandwich from the SPAR next door which has much better quality. The McD's I've had in NY weren't much better either. OTOH, McCafe's in Europe (the separate establishment, not to be confused with the coffee you can get from McD's) are amazing, coffee is always great, on par with even fancy hipster cafes and their pastry and cakes aren't bad either.
- lordnacho 5y ago
  > looked nothing like the ones in the pictures This is surely too high a standard! Did Coke ever give you the satisfaction of the people in the Christmas adverts? Did you get girls after you bought Lynx? Did you score more goals with those Predators?
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Sure, not looking exactly like the menu/ads is one thing, that's just marketing for you, but being served a patty in a bare bread bun, missing the cheese, lettuce and other parts of the product you ordered, is an outright scam in legal terms if we're being pedantic. Sure, I get it, having underpaid and overworked people making your food is not a recipe for a great experience, but ultimately I paid in full, the company got their money and I didn't get the product I ordered, which is why I jusy stopped eating there, since I don't like being "THAT GUY" who ask for "the manager" in order to complain about overworked people on minimum wage that they got his order wrong and they need to redo the order while 10 more customers are waiting in line.
    - BenjiWiebe 5y ago
      I've had a lot of fast food burgers in the US but never have I had a bare patty in a bun, unless I specifically asked for it a time or two as a child.
      - Karunamon 5y ago
        What likely happened in this case is they gave GP a burger intended for someone who ordered it 'plain'. The slips McDonalds uses to attach special order tags to the sandwich wrappers are prone to falling off or being overlooked.
        ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        N'ah, the employees were just overworked so made mistakes or cut corners. The amount of customers that come at an airport or a train station at rush hour is insane. Mistakes happen, or some employees cut corners to save time, knowing that the customers won't have time to notice the mistake and complain about it, since they have a train/flight to catch.
  - idleproc 5y ago
    Lynx kept the defenders away so I scored more goals, and the Predators made me look like Beckham...
PinguTS 5y ago
This depends on how much has been sourced locally before and how much has been sourced from the US. Like buns and meat and so could be sourced locally. But spice (mixtures) may have been imported and the mixture recipe is locally unknown.
- throwaway48375 5y ago
  It can't be that hard to reverse engineer a spice mixture in 2022.
  - ivan_gammel 5y ago
    It is not even necessary, since local tastes are different and you need to adapt the recipe.
  - johannes1234321 5y ago
    As we're not talking about small cuts of leaves but some highly industrialized component it is not so easy as counting leaves and mixing them together. You can certainly analyse the flavors, but that won't tell you much on the production process for creating this with all the artificial components. However that could creates some creativity in place and create similar, but different (better? Worse? Who knows) products. Compare this to Coca Cola in Germany during WW2. Due to the embargos they couldn't deliver the "secret syrup" so Coca Cola Germany used some "fantasy" and created (the predecessor of) Fanta, which nowadays is a brand of Coca Cola served in multiple countries (with differeing recipes)
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      Why would you even want to copy Coca-Cola's "super secret syrup" when we already have in Europe several local Cola drinks that are better, and sometimes even healthier? Fanta is now nothing special either, just a sugary fizzy drink with orange flavoring that can be done better by other local companies. Coca Cola is just a branding and marketing juggernaut at this point, but their drinks themselves are easily replaceable by better local alternatives at any time. Come to think of it, banning Coca-Cola could actually be a health benefit for the population lol. I remember that in Mexico there are poor villages addicted to Coca-Cola where the company uses local water to make the drinks and the villagers have no access to clean tap water and have obesity and diabetes from all the coke they drink, and all is sponsored buy the Coca-Cola and their lobbying. Absolutely disgusting.
ivan_gammel 5y ago
Russians are actually good at building restaurant business. It is one of the most competitive and difficult businesses there, so only the smartest survive. I’d rather go to Starbucks or McDonalds in Moscow than anywhere else in Europe (I’d prefer though a local chain). One of the fastfood chains even applied kaizen in their operations including kitchen. The biggest problem will be the quality of supplies, as sanctions will damage the supply chain.
throwaway4good 5y ago
They could send spies into the American McDonalds ...
- Etherlord87 5y ago
  Of course! But if the government cared about quality of life of their citizens to that extent, it would be quite a different country, and the sanctions wouldn't be there.
DebtDeflation 5y ago
I hear the Polonium McFlurries are to die for, but the machine is usually broken.
mhermher 5y ago
Why do you doubt it?

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>Eventually the quality will deteriorate What quality? Even in Austria, at some really busy McD's I've been to like the train station or airport, their finished burgers looked nothing like the ones in the menu. Often they had components like the cheese, lettuce and sauces missing and I got just a dry paddy between two barren pieces of bread as a burger lol. It was uneatable so I had to throw it away and buy a sandwich from the SPAR next door which has much better quality. The McD's I've had in NY weren't much better either. OTOH, McCafe's in Europe (the separate establishment, not to be confused with the coffee you can get from McD's) are amazing, coffee is always great, on par with even fancy hipster cafes and their pastry and cakes aren't bad either.

lordnacho 5y ago
> looked nothing like the ones in the pictures This is surely too high a standard! Did Coke ever give you the satisfaction of the people in the Christmas adverts? Did you get girls after you bought Lynx? Did you score more goals with those Predators?
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Sure, not looking exactly like the menu/ads is one thing, that's just marketing for you, but being served a patty in a bare bread bun, missing the cheese, lettuce and other parts of the product you ordered, is an outright scam in legal terms if we're being pedantic. Sure, I get it, having underpaid and overworked people making your food is not a recipe for a great experience, but ultimately I paid in full, the company got their money and I didn't get the product I ordered, which is why I jusy stopped eating there, since I don't like being "THAT GUY" who ask for "the manager" in order to complain about overworked people on minimum wage that they got his order wrong and they need to redo the order while 10 more customers are waiting in line.
  - BenjiWiebe 5y ago
    I've had a lot of fast food burgers in the US but never have I had a bare patty in a bun, unless I specifically asked for it a time or two as a child.
    - Karunamon 5y ago
      What likely happened in this case is they gave GP a burger intended for someone who ordered it 'plain'. The slips McDonalds uses to attach special order tags to the sandwich wrappers are prone to falling off or being overlooked.
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        N'ah, the employees were just overworked so made mistakes or cut corners. The amount of customers that come at an airport or a train station at rush hour is insane. Mistakes happen, or some employees cut corners to save time, knowing that the customers won't have time to notice the mistake and complain about it, since they have a train/flight to catch.
- idleproc 5y ago
  Lynx kept the defenders away so I scored more goals, and the Predators made me look like Beckham...

PinguTS 5y ago

This depends on how much has been sourced locally before and how much has been sourced from the US. Like buns and meat and so could be sourced locally. But spice (mixtures) may have been imported and the mixture recipe is locally unknown.

throwaway48375 5y ago
It can't be that hard to reverse engineer a spice mixture in 2022.
- ivan_gammel 5y ago
  It is not even necessary, since local tastes are different and you need to adapt the recipe.
- johannes1234321 5y ago
  As we're not talking about small cuts of leaves but some highly industrialized component it is not so easy as counting leaves and mixing them together. You can certainly analyse the flavors, but that won't tell you much on the production process for creating this with all the artificial components. However that could creates some creativity in place and create similar, but different (better? Worse? Who knows) products. Compare this to Coca Cola in Germany during WW2. Due to the embargos they couldn't deliver the "secret syrup" so Coca Cola Germany used some "fantasy" and created (the predecessor of) Fanta, which nowadays is a brand of Coca Cola served in multiple countries (with differeing recipes)
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Why would you even want to copy Coca-Cola's "super secret syrup" when we already have in Europe several local Cola drinks that are better, and sometimes even healthier? Fanta is now nothing special either, just a sugary fizzy drink with orange flavoring that can be done better by other local companies. Coca Cola is just a branding and marketing juggernaut at this point, but their drinks themselves are easily replaceable by better local alternatives at any time. Come to think of it, banning Coca-Cola could actually be a health benefit for the population lol. I remember that in Mexico there are poor villages addicted to Coca-Cola where the company uses local water to make the drinks and the villagers have no access to clean tap water and have obesity and diabetes from all the coke they drink, and all is sponsored buy the Coca-Cola and their lobbying. Absolutely disgusting.

ivan_gammel 5y ago

Russians are actually good at building restaurant business. It is one of the most competitive and difficult businesses there, so only the smartest survive. I’d rather go to Starbucks or McDonalds in Moscow than anywhere else in Europe (I’d prefer though a local chain). One of the fastfood chains even applied kaizen in their operations including kitchen. The biggest problem will be the quality of supplies, as sanctions will damage the supply chain.

throwaway4good 5y ago

They could send spies into the American McDonalds ...

Etherlord87 5y ago
Of course! But if the government cared about quality of life of their citizens to that extent, it would be quite a different country, and the sanctions wouldn't be there.

DebtDeflation 5y ago

I hear the Polonium McFlurries are to die for, but the machine is usually broken.

mhermher 5y ago

Why do you doubt it?