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> The laptop isn't ruined and can be reset whenever the OP wants (as they already established). I take it that it's fine that I install a microphone with a tra

> The laptop isn't ruined and can be reset whenever the OP wants (as they already established). I take it that it's fine that I install a microphone with a transmitter in your ceiling fixture so long as I do 't damage the fixture itself. > Don't immediately rush to assumptions of malicious intent Is there a good reason to doubt that the intended purpose for installing the software was to use its advertised functionality?

simonh 5y ago
If they thought the laptop was school property, then comparisons to wilful intrusion into someone’s house is hyperbolic, and no it wasn’t malicious. It would be more like if the cops had a valid warrant to track a suspects car, but installed the tracker in the wrong car by mistake. Best to establish the facts first.
- carschno 5y ago
  Installing monitoring software (spyware) on a laptop that is owned by the school is legit only if you consider the student exactly that: a suspect. In that sense, your comment is spot-on. Following that logic, the act itself does not seem malicious. However, the logic of seeing students as suspects is.
  - simonh 5y ago
    That's fair, I'm not saying they are right to do it in that sense.
  - sillysaurusx 5y ago
    I have a sort of extremist take on this: students are literally prisoners. The job of a high school is to keep students from harming each other, feed them, and occasionally teach them something. It’s why one of the highest offenses is to leave school grounds during school. Ditto for prison. In that light, of course students are suspects. They’re already guilty of not being adults. They’re not allowed to have jobs, or to decide what they want to learn, or any of the other things that make adults human. I don’t know what to do about it, but recognizing it seems step one.
    - tailspin2019 5y ago
      > students are literally prisoners You're being downvoted, but I often felt exactly this way throughout my school years.
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    > However, the logic of seeing students as suspects is. Is it? I don’t think I know any high school student that hasn’t tried to muck with, or work around, the schools systems.
    - hoseja 5y ago
      And "solving" that "problem" is not a good thing.
  - JohnClark1337 5y ago
- boomlinde 5y ago
  > If they thought the laptop was school property, then comparisons to wilful intrusion into someone’s house is hyperbolic So if you're renting an apartment from me, I am right to spy on your children with my ceiling bug? > It would be more like if the cops had a valid warrant to track a suspects car, but installed the tracker in the wrong car by mistake. The school is not a police force; nothing warrants their privacy intrusive surveillance of my children without my consent in the first place.

simonh 5y ago

If they thought the laptop was school property, then comparisons to wilful intrusion into someone’s house is hyperbolic, and no it wasn’t malicious. It would be more like if the cops had a valid warrant to track a suspects car, but installed the tracker in the wrong car by mistake. Best to establish the facts first.

carschno 5y ago
Installing monitoring software (spyware) on a laptop that is owned by the school is legit only if you consider the student exactly that: a suspect. In that sense, your comment is spot-on. Following that logic, the act itself does not seem malicious. However, the logic of seeing students as suspects is.
- simonh 5y ago
  That's fair, I'm not saying they are right to do it in that sense.
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  I have a sort of extremist take on this: students are literally prisoners. The job of a high school is to keep students from harming each other, feed them, and occasionally teach them something. It’s why one of the highest offenses is to leave school grounds during school. Ditto for prison. In that light, of course students are suspects. They’re already guilty of not being adults. They’re not allowed to have jobs, or to decide what they want to learn, or any of the other things that make adults human. I don’t know what to do about it, but recognizing it seems step one.
  - tailspin2019 5y ago
    > students are literally prisoners You're being downvoted, but I often felt exactly this way throughout my school years.
- Aeolun 5y ago
  > However, the logic of seeing students as suspects is. Is it? I don’t think I know any high school student that hasn’t tried to muck with, or work around, the schools systems.
  - hoseja 5y ago
    And "solving" that "problem" is not a good thing.
- JohnClark1337 5y ago
boomlinde 5y ago
> If they thought the laptop was school property, then comparisons to wilful intrusion into someone’s house is hyperbolic So if you're renting an apartment from me, I am right to spy on your children with my ceiling bug? > It would be more like if the cops had a valid warrant to track a suspects car, but installed the tracker in the wrong car by mistake. The school is not a police force; nothing warrants their privacy intrusive surveillance of my children without my consent in the first place.