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One reason would be that you don't like shitty laptops. Any other laptop (I tried top end Dells, Lenovos and Asuses) are much worse in all things considered. E

One reason would be that you don't like shitty laptops. Any other laptop (I tried top end Dells, Lenovos and Asuses) are much worse in all things considered. Even the 2016-2021 MBPs were at best comparable to models of these other brands, never worse. Do you not like fans when you Google Meet? How about fans when you look at your desktop or start your computer?

grumpyprole 5y ago
> Even the 2016-2021 MBPs were at best comparable to models of these other brands, never worse. This is patently false. The butterfly keyboards were a disaster for Apple. Financial reports suggest it may have cost Apple an additional billion dollars per-year in warranty repairs. The M1 machines are nice and Apple seemed to have fixed their reliability issues; but your post is essentially, at best, a cover up.
- emteycz 5y ago
  So what? It was still the better keyboard. I had it for two years. Much better than anything Dell or Lenovo or any other brand I've ever seen had. Yeah, it had issues, but it never had the issues my Lenovo and Dell laptops had - like keys literally falling off, for example. Two keys on one of my Lenovo machines were broken from the factory. The Dell i9 machine had a key that was attached only on one side and they refused to fix it.
  - grumpyprole 5y ago
    You think Apple's Butterfly keyboard was better than a Lenovo ThinkPad keyboard? That certainly would be a minority opinion. I can't comment on cheaper Dell and Lenovo machines, but that wouldn't really be a fair comparison.
    - yunwal 5y ago
      My Lenovo thinkpad keyboard doesn't register the spacebar unless you press the middle of the key. Never had a problem like that with a Mac.
      - emteycz 5y ago
        Yeah my Lenovos had or developed the same problem, also not considered something to fix by them. Probably all of them except the really old 4:3 ones I had, which had the oldschool IBM keyboard.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      The Lenovo keyboard is good when it works - but I never had a fully working keyboard on any post-2013 Lenovo laptop (my old T530 had awesome and reliable keyboard, but it was the last). I generally spend around $4-$6k on a laptop, so not the consumer-level models. Always at least few keys had issues (or soon developed some) and they didn't want to fix it. The Apple keyboard was weird for a week and then I got used to it without much further issues. Occasionally a grain or something got under a key, compressed air fixed that immediately. After a year one key became squishy and Apple fixed it free of charge within few days. Dell keyboards are squishy and unreliable and have the same problems with grains Apple butterfly keyboard had - but in 2022. Dell average is much worse than the worst Apple ever got.
thrashh 5y ago
Are you sure? I have both an Intel Macbook Pro (work) and a Lenovo Thinkpad and I love my Thinkpad. I hate the Macbook so much. It's true my fans turn on a little more with my Thinkpad but I rather have fans over a sluggish Macbook. Plus with my Airpods Pro on, neither the other person or I will notice any fans. (I also won't get fans during a meeting anyway.) Plus for half of the price of that Macbook, I get a much lighter laptop with 64 GB of RAM and a beefier CPU, plus a touchscreen that I love for the couch.
- emteycz 5y ago
  I had a great Thinkpad once, too. But the 2 subsequent models were all shit - laptop board burning (needed a replacement few times), RAM integrity issues, boot loops, driver crashes etc. Then I tried 2 Dells - both of them shit in all ways possible (and I spent more than Macbooks cost!) - battery life bad, noise bad, performance bad, thermals bad, sound bad, keyboard bad, display horrendous (never get shitty 4K OLED from Dell, it hurts your eyes!)... - that's a machine that costs $4k+. Regarding the CPU... I was not able to use even 50% of its i9 CPU because of thermal throttling. And when it was on "full", it got like 2 hours of battery. M1 is like from another galaxy. The sound continues to amaze anyone who hears it. People can't take their eyes off the display. It literally does not have fans. It never gets hot. I can work 2 days on one battery charge. And most importantly - even though I have only a 7-core M1 Air - it outperforms my i7-7770 desktop as well as every laptop I ever had, even the beefy i9 Dell - and it cost less than $1500. It has less RAM (only 16GB), but that's alright, I never had a problem with it (as a JS developer).
  - copperx 5y ago
    I agree. The display and touchpad in a Mac laptop are out of this world. And they're are even better if you have one of those new 14" Pros. There's just nothing in the PC world that compares.
  - thrashh 5y ago
    Sounds like there are trash models of Thinkpads like there are trash models of MacBooks. Have to do your research either way. I personally picked my Thinkpad model. I did not get to choose my MacBook model.

grumpyprole 5y ago

> Even the 2016-2021 MBPs were at best comparable to models of these other brands, never worse. This is patently false. The butterfly keyboards were a disaster for Apple. Financial reports suggest it may have cost Apple an additional billion dollars per-year in warranty repairs. The M1 machines are nice and Apple seemed to have fixed their reliability issues; but your post is essentially, at best, a cover up.

emteycz 5y ago
So what? It was still the better keyboard. I had it for two years. Much better than anything Dell or Lenovo or any other brand I've ever seen had. Yeah, it had issues, but it never had the issues my Lenovo and Dell laptops had - like keys literally falling off, for example. Two keys on one of my Lenovo machines were broken from the factory. The Dell i9 machine had a key that was attached only on one side and they refused to fix it.
- grumpyprole 5y ago
  You think Apple's Butterfly keyboard was better than a Lenovo ThinkPad keyboard? That certainly would be a minority opinion. I can't comment on cheaper Dell and Lenovo machines, but that wouldn't really be a fair comparison.
  - yunwal 5y ago
    My Lenovo thinkpad keyboard doesn't register the spacebar unless you press the middle of the key. Never had a problem like that with a Mac.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      Yeah my Lenovos had or developed the same problem, also not considered something to fix by them. Probably all of them except the really old 4:3 ones I had, which had the oldschool IBM keyboard.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    The Lenovo keyboard is good when it works - but I never had a fully working keyboard on any post-2013 Lenovo laptop (my old T530 had awesome and reliable keyboard, but it was the last). I generally spend around $4-$6k on a laptop, so not the consumer-level models. Always at least few keys had issues (or soon developed some) and they didn't want to fix it. The Apple keyboard was weird for a week and then I got used to it without much further issues. Occasionally a grain or something got under a key, compressed air fixed that immediately. After a year one key became squishy and Apple fixed it free of charge within few days. Dell keyboards are squishy and unreliable and have the same problems with grains Apple butterfly keyboard had - but in 2022. Dell average is much worse than the worst Apple ever got.

thrashh 5y ago

Are you sure? I have both an Intel Macbook Pro (work) and a Lenovo Thinkpad and I love my Thinkpad. I hate the Macbook so much. It's true my fans turn on a little more with my Thinkpad but I rather have fans over a sluggish Macbook. Plus with my Airpods Pro on, neither the other person or I will notice any fans. (I also won't get fans during a meeting anyway.) Plus for half of the price of that Macbook, I get a much lighter laptop with 64 GB of RAM and a beefier CPU, plus a touchscreen that I love for the couch.

emteycz 5y ago
I had a great Thinkpad once, too. But the 2 subsequent models were all shit - laptop board burning (needed a replacement few times), RAM integrity issues, boot loops, driver crashes etc. Then I tried 2 Dells - both of them shit in all ways possible (and I spent more than Macbooks cost!) - battery life bad, noise bad, performance bad, thermals bad, sound bad, keyboard bad, display horrendous (never get shitty 4K OLED from Dell, it hurts your eyes!)... - that's a machine that costs $4k+. Regarding the CPU... I was not able to use even 50% of its i9 CPU because of thermal throttling. And when it was on "full", it got like 2 hours of battery. M1 is like from another galaxy. The sound continues to amaze anyone who hears it. People can't take their eyes off the display. It literally does not have fans. It never gets hot. I can work 2 days on one battery charge. And most importantly - even though I have only a 7-core M1 Air - it outperforms my i7-7770 desktop as well as every laptop I ever had, even the beefy i9 Dell - and it cost less than $1500. It has less RAM (only 16GB), but that's alright, I never had a problem with it (as a JS developer).
- copperx 5y ago
  I agree. The display and touchpad in a Mac laptop are out of this world. And they're are even better if you have one of those new 14" Pros. There's just nothing in the PC world that compares.
- thrashh 5y ago
  Sounds like there are trash models of Thinkpads like there are trash models of MacBooks. Have to do your research either way. I personally picked my Thinkpad model. I did not get to choose my MacBook model.