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>> However, the answer has seemingly been to not even try, and to "stop covid" at all costs, laying waste to any holistic arguments that perhaps prioritizing so

>> However, the answer has seemingly been to not even try, and to "stop covid" at all costs, laying waste to any holistic arguments that perhaps prioritizing societal wellbeing was a better route than declaring war against a virus. Stop Covid at all costs is what they said, but not what they did. HCQ was shot down without investigation even as doctors were reporting success. Most things were simply shot down as "not an FDA approved treatment for covid19" even though there were no such treatments for the first year. I had covid so my immunity is better than the vaccinated, but I was still supposed to get vaxed because it helps a bit more and we needed to do everything possible. OK vitamins D was thought to help and has since been proven to help, so why are there not ads pushing that? It's never been about doing (certainly not trying) everything possible. Its always been "do as I say" from the government.

GenerocUsername 5y ago
I have to agree. As I walked around a local strip mall with closed gyms, closed stores, but open nail salons I realized the whole precautions nature was doomed. Sure seems like an attempt to maximize theater and sell vaccines
KarlKemp 5y ago
This bullshit, again? Far too much was wasted on studies to mollify the HC@ crowd. For vitamin d, there’s no definite answer, but it helps either not at all or too little to be worth it: https://inews.co.uk/news/vitamin-d-supplements-do-not-stop-you-catching-covid-or-reduce-symptoms-major-trial-reveals-1536673 https://inews.co.uk/news/vitamin-d-supplements-do-not-stop-y...
- nradov 5y ago
  There is a very clear correlation between hypovitaminosis D and severe COVID-19 symptoms. Recommend you read all of the studies indexed on the page. https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/ https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/
  - phkahler 5y ago
    Correct. Vitamin D deficiency makes one more likely to get COVID-19 and more likely to have a severe case if you do get it. There really is a lot of evidence to support this, including studies from the NIH. Also, most people in the US are deficient in the winter and having a bit extra is considered harmless, so not suggesting it was always stupid. There is also a traditional vaccine now that is completely ignored in the US. The ONLY acceptable response to COVID according to our government (and unfortunately one political side for reasons I don't understand) is one of the MRNA vaccines. Nothing else is acceptable even as an adjunct to those vaccines.
  - phkahler 5y ago
    https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/what-is-the-link-between-vitamin-d-levels-and-covid-19/2022/02 https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/what-is-the-link-b... What has been shown in other studies is that giving hospitalized COVID patients vitamin D has no effect on outcomes. We could do studies that show the same lack of effectiveness for a lot of treatments including the vaccines. Once you're hospitalized it's too late for a lot of things.
tomrod 5y ago
> HCQ was shot down without investigation even as doctors were reporting success This narrative was and continues to be pushed by the same people who refused to mask up, isolate, stay home, and otherwise exercise non-pharmaceutical intervention techniques. Interesting.
- phkahler 5y ago
  >> This narrative was and continues to be pushed by the same people No, it's been replaced by Ivermectin (spelling?) which I have no idea why that became a thing. The HCQ was still shot down without trial when doctors were claiming it worked, and had a hypothesis as to why it might.
  - nradov 5y ago
    There was an early study back in April 2020 (right after the lockdowns started) which showed that ivermectin could inhibit SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro. Some irresponsible people (including a few physicians) took that and ran with it even though there was never any high quality evidence for it as a clinical treatment. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104787 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104787 It will be interesting to see the results from the ACTIV-6 clinical study. Hopefully that will finally settle the issue one way or another. https://activ6study.org/ https://activ6study.org/

GenerocUsername 5y ago

I have to agree. As I walked around a local strip mall with closed gyms, closed stores, but open nail salons I realized the whole precautions nature was doomed. Sure seems like an attempt to maximize theater and sell vaccines

KarlKemp 5y ago

This bullshit, again? Far too much was wasted on studies to mollify the HC@ crowd. For vitamin d, there’s no definite answer, but it helps either not at all or too little to be worth it: https://inews.co.uk/news/vitamin-d-supplements-do-not-stop-you-catching-covid-or-reduce-symptoms-major-trial-reveals-1536673 https://inews.co.uk/news/vitamin-d-supplements-do-not-stop-y...

nradov 5y ago
There is a very clear correlation between hypovitaminosis D and severe COVID-19 symptoms. Recommend you read all of the studies indexed on the page. https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/ https://vitamin-d-covid.shotwell.ca/
- phkahler 5y ago
  Correct. Vitamin D deficiency makes one more likely to get COVID-19 and more likely to have a severe case if you do get it. There really is a lot of evidence to support this, including studies from the NIH. Also, most people in the US are deficient in the winter and having a bit extra is considered harmless, so not suggesting it was always stupid. There is also a traditional vaccine now that is completely ignored in the US. The ONLY acceptable response to COVID according to our government (and unfortunately one political side for reasons I don't understand) is one of the MRNA vaccines. Nothing else is acceptable even as an adjunct to those vaccines.
- phkahler 5y ago
  https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/what-is-the-link-between-vitamin-d-levels-and-covid-19/2022/02 https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/what-is-the-link-b... What has been shown in other studies is that giving hospitalized COVID patients vitamin D has no effect on outcomes. We could do studies that show the same lack of effectiveness for a lot of treatments including the vaccines. Once you're hospitalized it's too late for a lot of things.

tomrod 5y ago

> HCQ was shot down without investigation even as doctors were reporting success This narrative was and continues to be pushed by the same people who refused to mask up, isolate, stay home, and otherwise exercise non-pharmaceutical intervention techniques. Interesting.

phkahler 5y ago
>> This narrative was and continues to be pushed by the same people No, it's been replaced by Ivermectin (spelling?) which I have no idea why that became a thing. The HCQ was still shot down without trial when doctors were claiming it worked, and had a hypothesis as to why it might.
- nradov 5y ago
  There was an early study back in April 2020 (right after the lockdowns started) which showed that ivermectin could inhibit SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro. Some irresponsible people (including a few physicians) took that and ran with it even though there was never any high quality evidence for it as a clinical treatment. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104787 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104787 It will be interesting to see the results from the ACTIV-6 clinical study. Hopefully that will finally settle the issue one way or another. https://activ6study.org/ https://activ6study.org/