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I've used that argument and the counter is: depression due to lockdown can heal once lockdown is over. People dying because hospitals filled up and cases climbe

by rjh29 5y ago

I've used that argument and the counter is: depression due to lockdown can heal once lockdown is over. People dying because hospitals filled up and cases climbed is permanent.

henrikschroder 5y ago
Suicidal ideation among kids in the US is up 100%, suicide attempts are up 50%, actual suicides are up 20%. Dead kids are also pretty &¤#&%#!" permanent. And this is the thing that's been missing for the past two years: A sensible cost/benefit discussion. Hell, we haven't even acknowledged that every single pandemic rule and restriction and measure has a cost in human life. Instead, we've been getting shitty platitudes about how "kids are resilient", or "it's just two weeks", or "your surgery is non-essential and therefore postponed".
- tablespoon 5y ago
  >> [Column A] People dying because hospitals filled up and cases climbed is permanent. > [Column B] Dead kids are also pretty &¤#&%#!" permanent. > And this is the thing that's been missing for the past two years: A sensible cost/benefit discussion. So, which is higher: Column A or Column B? I haven't checked the numbers, but I'd be astounded if there wasn't at least and order of magnitude more COVID deaths during this pandemic than total number of teen suicides (i.e. all of them, not just the increase due to the pandemic).
incrudible 5y ago
These children will never fully recover their formative years. Also, what impact, if any, did the treatment of young people have on the ultimate death toll from this virus? We will never know, but I am afraid if we could, we would not like the answer.
- ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
  Closig schools has been the core of the US pandemic influenza control strategy since the second Bush administration. There were detailed simulations showing that shutting schools is the only single intervention that can significantly affect R: schools are the best place for spreading influenza due to the very small spacing between seats in classrooms, the number of students who pack into schoolbusses daily, etc. (However, the studies were done before masking everyone was a possibility.)
  - nradov 5y ago
    Sweden mostly kept primary schools open, and didn't even impose mask mandates on students, and they came through fine.
  - earleybird 5y ago
    Most parents with k-8 children should know this first-hand. Memory is fading but as I recall, two weeks after school year started we could pretty much expect a bug to come home. (continuing through out the winter months of the school year)

by rjh29 5y ago

I've used that argument and the counter is: depression due to lockdown can heal once lockdown is over. People dying because hospitals filled up and cases climbed is permanent.

henrikschroder 5y ago

Suicidal ideation among kids in the US is up 100%, suicide attempts are up 50%, actual suicides are up 20%. Dead kids are also pretty &¤#&%#!" permanent. And this is the thing that's been missing for the past two years: A sensible cost/benefit discussion. Hell, we haven't even acknowledged that every single pandemic rule and restriction and measure has a cost in human life. Instead, we've been getting shitty platitudes about how "kids are resilient", or "it's just two weeks", or "your surgery is non-essential and therefore postponed".

tablespoon 5y ago
>> [Column A] People dying because hospitals filled up and cases climbed is permanent. > [Column B] Dead kids are also pretty &¤#&%#!" permanent. > And this is the thing that's been missing for the past two years: A sensible cost/benefit discussion. So, which is higher: Column A or Column B? I haven't checked the numbers, but I'd be astounded if there wasn't at least and order of magnitude more COVID deaths during this pandemic than total number of teen suicides (i.e. all of them, not just the increase due to the pandemic).

incrudible 5y ago

These children will never fully recover their formative years. Also, what impact, if any, did the treatment of young people have on the ultimate death toll from this virus? We will never know, but I am afraid if we could, we would not like the answer.

ravel-bar-foo 5y ago
Closig schools has been the core of the US pandemic influenza control strategy since the second Bush administration. There were detailed simulations showing that shutting schools is the only single intervention that can significantly affect R: schools are the best place for spreading influenza due to the very small spacing between seats in classrooms, the number of students who pack into schoolbusses daily, etc. (However, the studies were done before masking everyone was a possibility.)
- nradov 5y ago
  Sweden mostly kept primary schools open, and didn't even impose mask mandates on students, and they came through fine.
- earleybird 5y ago
  Most parents with k-8 children should know this first-hand. Memory is fading but as I recall, two weeks after school year started we could pretty much expect a bug to come home. (continuing through out the winter months of the school year)