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This situation if the result of the destruction of the social network of relations due to the modern lifestyle. To have meaningful social relations with our pee

This situation if the result of the destruction of the social network of relations due to the modern lifestyle. To have meaningful social relations with our peers is extremely important for humans and even more so for teenagers I guess. First the modern lifestyle mostly destroyed the small communities where people know each other and spend a lot of time together. People began to stay in their house all the time with no contacts with a community. At this first stage, as the local community was eliminated, the remaining pillars of social relations were school, for young people, and work for adults. I some case adults were able to maintain some degree of additional social life by having some friends and inviting them regularly to create the opportunity to meet. Later it come all the smartphones, tablets, computers, social networks that captivated all the attention, especially of young people so even more so people were pushed to stay more at home and meet less people further increasing the social isolation. The final blow came from the COVID-19 confinement were people were forced to stay at home reducing social contacts only to the close family members. This situation created an unsustainable isolation raising serious mental health problem especially for teenagers but also for adult people. Modern society got it all wrong. We think having more goods and entertainment to consume make us happier but this is not how it works. Not if the social life and the social network around us is poor or non-existent. Scientific thought that they know all and can say people what to do and they give us instruction just to avoid that people dies. The problem is that people doesn't just need to stay physically alive, we need to be also happy and fulfilled by our life. We need to radically change modern lifestyle and stop with all the bullshit coming from politicians.

Aeolun 5y ago
Not sure I agree with everything you say, but having social contact is absolutely gratifying. The lack of community in current times is absolutely a negative.
- t0bia_s 5y ago
  Yet we still collectively prefer conformity behavior shaped by media and politics. Decentralisation and community is future.
everforward 5y ago
I agree with a lot of this, but I think the effect has more complex roots. I think there's an economic component to this as well. Housing prices are rising, meaning a lot of people are pushed out of their existing community, or that they perceive their community is temporary (until they all get pushed out). It starts to feel pointless to build a community of renters when you don't think it will exist in 5 years. A lot of local shops have been overtaken by corporations, who exist in the community but aren't really part of it. Walmart/Target/Dick's/etc isn't sponsoring the local little league, or throwing a potluck, or creating any kind of space or events to build a community around. Religious service attendance is also down, which is another way people used to build communities, and I haven't seen a lot of secular replacements (not a criticism of anyone, I don't attend myself). I think a lot of people replaced religion with politics, which has created communities more focused on things outside themselves (laws and public opinion) than within themselves. I don't even know that social media is the cause of loss of community. It seems to me that social media was the market responding to the loss of in-person communities; it was responding to an already-established need. It might have accelerated the decline, but I think healthy communities could have withstood social media. We just didn't have many healthy communities left.
- rakejake 5y ago
  The problem with community is everyone (or at least most people in the sample space) has to buy-in for it to work. Sometime in the last 15 years, it slowly started shifting online and then beyond a critical threshold, it began to snowball. And now you have generations that play together on minecraft and roblox. And how exactly do you fight that when it is mostly frictionless and requires much less social energy? You can't. Hmm, when we decided religion was bad and decided to phase it out of our lives, did we perhaps throw the baby out with the bathwater?
  - tomrod 5y ago
    > Hmm, when we decided religion was bad and decided to phase it out of our lives, did we perhaps throw the baby out with the bathwater? No. The abuses perpetuated by religions justify discontinuing adherence, regardless of worldview. New wine, old bottles do not mix as the parable about the wine bottles (or skins, at the time) dictates.
tsol 5y ago
Anecdotally I've seen much less damage among those who are deeply religious that I know(Muslims). Social networks are strong so they were preserved even among the pandemic. Say what you want about the problems that come with religion, but it is great at solving a lot of the issues that humans have dealt with for thousands of years. Those problems are ones modern society has done little to solve
tonymet 5y ago
Communities fell apart starting in the 60-80s, well before the internet and social media. People forget the concrete institutions that were dissolved that led to communities collapsing. First it was families falling apart due to high rates of divorce and low birth rates. Also people moving away from home for job opportunities split the family apart. Entire towns were hollowed out. Also the dissolution of institutions like church, political groups, fraternal orders (e.g. Elks, Kiwanis), Charity Groups. See the book "Bowling Alone". Social media and entertainment spiked afterward to fill the void – but it was the collapse of the families, community groups & towns that were a precursor to the death of communities.
- OkayPhysicist 5y ago
  I have some first hand experience with fraternal orders. They sowed the seed of their own destruction somewhere around Vietnam. They experienced a huge boost in popularity following WW2, where soldiers returning home looked to fill the companionship void left by leaving military service. They experienced similar boosts following Korea and Vietnam, but they got spoiled by these: they got so veteran-centric (in no small part because of the negative view Americans at large had of the Vietnam war) that they basically stopped recruiting anyone else. Then military culture shifted, leading a lot of people to not identify with their service as much as prior generations. The fraternal orders didn't try to recruit, and by now it's too late: very few young people cherish the thought of hanging out with a bunch of septagenarians.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    They started to decline before then, if I recall correctly. Most required dues; the Great Depression saw the roles sink dramatically as dues could not be paid. Health insurance, home insurance, and other social safety nets were often paid for or covered in-kind through fraternal orders. Fraternal orders (not sure of the general, non-gendered term) are an alternative community organization to religions that would do well to return. EDIT: looks like we are both sort of right. The Freemasons continued to grow after WWII but the general ecosystem of fraternal orders started their decline after the New Deal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_fraternalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_fraternalism

Aeolun 5y ago

Not sure I agree with everything you say, but having social contact is absolutely gratifying. The lack of community in current times is absolutely a negative.

t0bia_s 5y ago
Yet we still collectively prefer conformity behavior shaped by media and politics. Decentralisation and community is future.

everforward 5y ago

I agree with a lot of this, but I think the effect has more complex roots. I think there's an economic component to this as well. Housing prices are rising, meaning a lot of people are pushed out of their existing community, or that they perceive their community is temporary (until they all get pushed out). It starts to feel pointless to build a community of renters when you don't think it will exist in 5 years. A lot of local shops have been overtaken by corporations, who exist in the community but aren't really part of it. Walmart/Target/Dick's/etc isn't sponsoring the local little league, or throwing a potluck, or creating any kind of space or events to build a community around. Religious service attendance is also down, which is another way people used to build communities, and I haven't seen a lot of secular replacements (not a criticism of anyone, I don't attend myself). I think a lot of people replaced religion with politics, which has created communities more focused on things outside themselves (laws and public opinion) than within themselves. I don't even know that social media is the cause of loss of community. It seems to me that social media was the market responding to the loss of in-person communities; it was responding to an already-established need. It might have accelerated the decline, but I think healthy communities could have withstood social media. We just didn't have many healthy communities left.

rakejake 5y ago
The problem with community is everyone (or at least most people in the sample space) has to buy-in for it to work. Sometime in the last 15 years, it slowly started shifting online and then beyond a critical threshold, it began to snowball. And now you have generations that play together on minecraft and roblox. And how exactly do you fight that when it is mostly frictionless and requires much less social energy? You can't. Hmm, when we decided religion was bad and decided to phase it out of our lives, did we perhaps throw the baby out with the bathwater?
- tomrod 5y ago
  > Hmm, when we decided religion was bad and decided to phase it out of our lives, did we perhaps throw the baby out with the bathwater? No. The abuses perpetuated by religions justify discontinuing adherence, regardless of worldview. New wine, old bottles do not mix as the parable about the wine bottles (or skins, at the time) dictates.

tsol 5y ago

Anecdotally I've seen much less damage among those who are deeply religious that I know(Muslims). Social networks are strong so they were preserved even among the pandemic. Say what you want about the problems that come with religion, but it is great at solving a lot of the issues that humans have dealt with for thousands of years. Those problems are ones modern society has done little to solve

tonymet 5y ago

Communities fell apart starting in the 60-80s, well before the internet and social media. People forget the concrete institutions that were dissolved that led to communities collapsing. First it was families falling apart due to high rates of divorce and low birth rates. Also people moving away from home for job opportunities split the family apart. Entire towns were hollowed out. Also the dissolution of institutions like church, political groups, fraternal orders (e.g. Elks, Kiwanis), Charity Groups. See the book "Bowling Alone". Social media and entertainment spiked afterward to fill the void – but it was the collapse of the families, community groups & towns that were a precursor to the death of communities.

OkayPhysicist 5y ago
I have some first hand experience with fraternal orders. They sowed the seed of their own destruction somewhere around Vietnam. They experienced a huge boost in popularity following WW2, where soldiers returning home looked to fill the companionship void left by leaving military service. They experienced similar boosts following Korea and Vietnam, but they got spoiled by these: they got so veteran-centric (in no small part because of the negative view Americans at large had of the Vietnam war) that they basically stopped recruiting anyone else. Then military culture shifted, leading a lot of people to not identify with their service as much as prior generations. The fraternal orders didn't try to recruit, and by now it's too late: very few young people cherish the thought of hanging out with a bunch of septagenarians.
- tomrod 5y ago
  They started to decline before then, if I recall correctly. Most required dues; the Great Depression saw the roles sink dramatically as dues could not be paid. Health insurance, home insurance, and other social safety nets were often paid for or covered in-kind through fraternal orders. Fraternal orders (not sure of the general, non-gendered term) are an alternative community organization to religions that would do well to return. EDIT: looks like we are both sort of right. The Freemasons continued to grow after WWII but the general ecosystem of fraternal orders started their decline after the New Deal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_fraternalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_fraternalism