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This is absolutely spot-on, and I think a lot of HN will agree with you here… …which makes it all the more baffling why many on HN decry decentralization and w

This is absolutely spot-on, and I think a lot of HN will agree with you here… …which makes it all the more baffling why many on HN decry decentralization and web3 as scam artistry.

ngc248 5y ago
Because web3 decentralization is not the solution. The web when it started out was pretty decentralized. Consolidation and centralization happened because of economies of scale and it was convenient for the users also as compared to self hosting. Even in web3 there will be a similar cycle. In fact we are already seeing this.
xenadu02 5y ago
> …which makes it all the more baffling why many on HN decry decentralization and web3 as scam artistry Because "web3" is a scam. Claiming to solve this problem is not the same thing as solving it or solving it well.
- viksit 5y ago
  All solutions to problems generally start off as toys or proofs of concepts. and they improve over time. See: The Wright Brothers.
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    What was the problem, from an end-user perspective, again?
    - cuteboy19 5y ago
      User End Problem: The state of not being scammed
      - NicoJuicy 5y ago
        I think he bailed after making big claims.
fladrif 5y ago
My problem here, and correct me if I'm interpreting this incorrectly, is that web3 calls only for decentralization around current authorities and proposes recentralization around new authorities. The web as it is already has the technology and possibility for "decentralized" content creation and publishing, but as with all things it is easier to do so on "centralized" platforms. I don't see what web3 offers beyond that. We will still rely on DNS, BGP, and all host of other technologies to connect our digital world, and within this framework decentralization is ingrained.
viksit 5y ago
Agree. I’ve actually seen an interesting shift in such arguments. People will talk about decentralization being a good thing — but rather than talk about web3 from the economic lens of decentralization the arguments always flow to crypto scams and environmental factors.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > People will talk about decentralization being a good thing — but rather than talk about web3 from the economic lens of decentralization the arguments always flow to crypto scams and environmental factors. "web3", by the bulk of use, is a pile of crypto advocacy. I want decentralization. I don't want web3. They're not the same. (Even if at one point they were.)
dewey 5y ago
If you'd look into most "web3" projects you'll see they are extremely centralized.
tannhaeuser 5y ago
Not wanting to disturb your "Web 3.0" tangent, but you're aware you're writing on a forum where most anyone is bringing their project and clicks to github.com without a second thought?
- homarp 5y ago
  >github good example: git, fully decentralized. Github: centralized git and of course web3 git: own a NFT of that specific revision.
  - input_sh 5y ago
    > Own an NFT with a link to that specific revision. Fixed that for you. NFTs don't store actual data, just links to them. And having an NFT with a link to something really brings nothing to the table when talking about link rot.
dgb23 5y ago
No. This is just yet another attempt to monetize social interactions so it’s pretty much going into the wrong direction. All of the things GP mentioned were just open, free, ways to communicate without attachments. This is why they have been beautiful and exciting and often of higher quality and honesty.
DocTomoe 5y ago
I have still to see one thing this web3 is supposed to solve that cannot reasonably be solved with the standard web1.0
root_axis 5y ago
Web3 is a scam for extracting cash from the uninformed, it's not a solution to any problems and it's orders of magnitude costlier to operate than a centralized server.
rchaud 5y ago
It shouldn't be baffling at all. The methods of decentralization already exist and would be known to people that frequent this forum. "Web3" is a marketing term created by venture capitalists that want to fuse a tokenization layer to it from which they can extract perpetual payments.

This is absolutely spot-on, and I think a lot of HN will agree with you here… …which makes it all the more baffling why many on HN decry decentralization and web3 as scam artistry.

ngc248 5y ago

Because web3 decentralization is not the solution. The web when it started out was pretty decentralized. Consolidation and centralization happened because of economies of scale and it was convenient for the users also as compared to self hosting. Even in web3 there will be a similar cycle. In fact we are already seeing this.

xenadu02 5y ago

> …which makes it all the more baffling why many on HN decry decentralization and web3 as scam artistry Because "web3" is a scam. Claiming to solve this problem is not the same thing as solving it or solving it well.

viksit 5y ago
All solutions to problems generally start off as toys or proofs of concepts. and they improve over time. See: The Wright Brothers.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  What was the problem, from an end-user perspective, again?
  - cuteboy19 5y ago
    User End Problem: The state of not being scammed
    - NicoJuicy 5y ago
      I think he bailed after making big claims.

fladrif 5y ago

My problem here, and correct me if I'm interpreting this incorrectly, is that web3 calls only for decentralization around current authorities and proposes recentralization around new authorities. The web as it is already has the technology and possibility for "decentralized" content creation and publishing, but as with all things it is easier to do so on "centralized" platforms. I don't see what web3 offers beyond that. We will still rely on DNS, BGP, and all host of other technologies to connect our digital world, and within this framework decentralization is ingrained.

viksit 5y ago

Agree. I’ve actually seen an interesting shift in such arguments. People will talk about decentralization being a good thing — but rather than talk about web3 from the economic lens of decentralization the arguments always flow to crypto scams and environmental factors.

Dylan16807 5y ago
> People will talk about decentralization being a good thing — but rather than talk about web3 from the economic lens of decentralization the arguments always flow to crypto scams and environmental factors. "web3", by the bulk of use, is a pile of crypto advocacy. I want decentralization. I don't want web3. They're not the same. (Even if at one point they were.)

dewey 5y ago

If you'd look into most "web3" projects you'll see they are extremely centralized.

tannhaeuser 5y ago

Not wanting to disturb your "Web 3.0" tangent, but you're aware you're writing on a forum where most anyone is bringing their project and clicks to github.com without a second thought?

homarp 5y ago
>github good example: git, fully decentralized. Github: centralized git and of course web3 git: own a NFT of that specific revision.
- input_sh 5y ago
  > Own an NFT with a link to that specific revision. Fixed that for you. NFTs don't store actual data, just links to them. And having an NFT with a link to something really brings nothing to the table when talking about link rot.

dgb23 5y ago

No. This is just yet another attempt to monetize social interactions so it’s pretty much going into the wrong direction. All of the things GP mentioned were just open, free, ways to communicate without attachments. This is why they have been beautiful and exciting and often of higher quality and honesty.

DocTomoe 5y ago

I have still to see one thing this web3 is supposed to solve that cannot reasonably be solved with the standard web1.0

root_axis 5y ago

Web3 is a scam for extracting cash from the uninformed, it's not a solution to any problems and it's orders of magnitude costlier to operate than a centralized server.

rchaud 5y ago

It shouldn't be baffling at all. The methods of decentralization already exist and would be known to people that frequent this forum. "Web3" is a marketing term created by venture capitalists that want to fuse a tokenization layer to it from which they can extract perpetual payments.