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The best way to avoid this: Nvidia Shield + "Console Gaming Monitor" (from e.g. Gigabyte, LG, etc) Yes it's more expensive, but that's how much they'd make fr

The best way to avoid this: Nvidia Shield + "Console Gaming Monitor" (from e.g. Gigabyte, LG, etc) Yes it's more expensive, but that's how much they'd make from you with ads.

joenathanone 5y ago
How do you watch live TV with that setup?
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  If you really still have a cable box, HDMI out to the a splitter for video/audio. Video to the monitor and audio to an amplified speaker.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Assuming streaming TV via Sling/Hulu/ATT TV/YT TV, nVidia shield has a DRM module for watching content, however such hardware attestation compatibility is never a given and can spontaneously break[0]. Otherwise, you can get a TV antenna if you’re fine with the reduced selection that provides. The general premise, though, is to get a non-smart ‘commercial’ TV without ads and use your own streaming box, maybe even a PC (with a proper OS-GPU-hdmi DRM chain), to control your experience. 0: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/259579/shield-tv-no-longer-able-to-stream-amazon-video/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/2595...
- drewg123 5y ago
  For OTA, you get tuner like the HDHR, and use one of many PVR apps available to playback and even record OTA TV.
- kuschku 5y ago
  The german evening news are available as free live stream via their android TV app, and outside of that, we just don't watch live TV. But if I needed live TV I'd just connect a satellite receiver box to our AV receiver as second input, just like we've connected our Switch, Wii, N64 and the emulator RPi.
givinguflac 5y ago
I own a shield and it’s definitely not the best option imho. There have been instances of ads on it as well: https://www.androidauthority.com/nvidia-shield-tv-ads-1239563/ https://www.androidauthority.com/nvidia-shield-tv-ads-123956...
- ferdowsi 5y ago
  That's on the home screen, not displayed over content.
- drewg123 5y ago
  You can disable them by side-loading an alternate launcher. Sadly, an Amazon FireTV update is disabling this for firetv
zamadatix 5y ago
Console gaming monitors also set a minimum bar of supporting things like 120hz refresh rates, HDR, enhanced VRR ranges, and lower input+processing+output lag. It's disingenuous to blanket assign any cost difference between a specialized product and a low end product to money made from ads. Yes, ads help subsidize low end TVs but it's nowhere near offsetting most of the overall cost. The real best way to avoid this is disable it in the settings and filter the device on your network then use something like a Shield TV for the smarts, unless you particularly want your TV to be a console gaming monitor in which case that's a fine substitute just not an initial assumption to avoid ads. So far (and likely forever given the average consumer) it has not been cost effective to serve these ads out of band and jurisdictional requirements on requiring opt-out (or defaulting to opt-in) have been getting better not worse on top of that. Note on something like the Shield (and regardless of display) if you truly want a 100% ad free experience you will need to unlock the bootloader and either patch the official OS or install a stock Android TV image. Either of these options will disable official access to certain content/qualities but at that point you're probably avoiding those sources anyways as such content sources are themselves covered in ads. That or an OTA adapter for non-smart content in which case you're still going to get ads OTA, but at least not additional ones from your viewing device.
- kuschku 5y ago
  > Console gaming monitors also set a minimum bar of supporting things like 120hz refresh rates, HDR, enhanced VRR ranges, and lower input+processing+output lag. It's disingenuous to blanket assign any cost difference between a specialized product and a low end product to money made from ads. Yes, ads help subsidize low end TVs but it's nowhere near offsetting most of the overall cost. That's true, but those are features you'll want anyway. You'll want 24-120Hz VRR to watch both cinematic films and content like Gemini at the appropriate framerate, you'll want proper HDR support to get a cinema-like movie quality, and you'll want reduced input lag for when you connect your gaming console to it. The NVIDIA Shield is actually perfectly ad-free in my experience (I've got the Shield 2019 non-pro), but the recent Android update forced some ads on the new Google TV launcher (luckily you can disable that just fine). I'm not sure what you mean regarding ads otherwise. > The real best way to avoid this is disable it in the settings and filter the device on your network then use something like a Shield TV for the smarts That's actually a bad recommendation, because then you'll still have to deal with the painfully slow startup times of a smart TV whenever you want to watch content and the TV actually modifying the image (most cheaper TVs don't offer a mode that avoids sharpening/softening/interpolating/color correcting/etc). And regular TVs often don't allow color calibration with an external probe either.

The best way to avoid this: Nvidia Shield + "Console Gaming Monitor" (from e.g. Gigabyte, LG, etc) Yes it's more expensive, but that's how much they'd make from you with ads.

joenathanone 5y ago

How do you watch live TV with that setup?

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
If you really still have a cable box, HDMI out to the a splitter for video/audio. Video to the monitor and audio to an amplified speaker.
judge2020 5y ago
Assuming streaming TV via Sling/Hulu/ATT TV/YT TV, nVidia shield has a DRM module for watching content, however such hardware attestation compatibility is never a given and can spontaneously break[0]. Otherwise, you can get a TV antenna if you’re fine with the reduced selection that provides. The general premise, though, is to get a non-smart ‘commercial’ TV without ads and use your own streaming box, maybe even a PC (with a proper OS-GPU-hdmi DRM chain), to control your experience. 0: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/259579/shield-tv-no-longer-able-to-stream-amazon-video/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/2595...
drewg123 5y ago
For OTA, you get tuner like the HDHR, and use one of many PVR apps available to playback and even record OTA TV.
kuschku 5y ago
The german evening news are available as free live stream via their android TV app, and outside of that, we just don't watch live TV. But if I needed live TV I'd just connect a satellite receiver box to our AV receiver as second input, just like we've connected our Switch, Wii, N64 and the emulator RPi.

givinguflac 5y ago

I own a shield and it’s definitely not the best option imho. There have been instances of ads on it as well: https://www.androidauthority.com/nvidia-shield-tv-ads-1239563/ https://www.androidauthority.com/nvidia-shield-tv-ads-123956...

ferdowsi 5y ago
That's on the home screen, not displayed over content.
drewg123 5y ago
You can disable them by side-loading an alternate launcher. Sadly, an Amazon FireTV update is disabling this for firetv

zamadatix 5y ago

Console gaming monitors also set a minimum bar of supporting things like 120hz refresh rates, HDR, enhanced VRR ranges, and lower input+processing+output lag. It's disingenuous to blanket assign any cost difference between a specialized product and a low end product to money made from ads. Yes, ads help subsidize low end TVs but it's nowhere near offsetting most of the overall cost. The real best way to avoid this is disable it in the settings and filter the device on your network then use something like a Shield TV for the smarts, unless you particularly want your TV to be a console gaming monitor in which case that's a fine substitute just not an initial assumption to avoid ads. So far (and likely forever given the average consumer) it has not been cost effective to serve these ads out of band and jurisdictional requirements on requiring opt-out (or defaulting to opt-in) have been getting better not worse on top of that. Note on something like the Shield (and regardless of display) if you truly want a 100% ad free experience you will need to unlock the bootloader and either patch the official OS or install a stock Android TV image. Either of these options will disable official access to certain content/qualities but at that point you're probably avoiding those sources anyways as such content sources are themselves covered in ads. That or an OTA adapter for non-smart content in which case you're still going to get ads OTA, but at least not additional ones from your viewing device.

kuschku 5y ago
> Console gaming monitors also set a minimum bar of supporting things like 120hz refresh rates, HDR, enhanced VRR ranges, and lower input+processing+output lag. It's disingenuous to blanket assign any cost difference between a specialized product and a low end product to money made from ads. Yes, ads help subsidize low end TVs but it's nowhere near offsetting most of the overall cost. That's true, but those are features you'll want anyway. You'll want 24-120Hz VRR to watch both cinematic films and content like Gemini at the appropriate framerate, you'll want proper HDR support to get a cinema-like movie quality, and you'll want reduced input lag for when you connect your gaming console to it. The NVIDIA Shield is actually perfectly ad-free in my experience (I've got the Shield 2019 non-pro), but the recent Android update forced some ads on the new Google TV launcher (luckily you can disable that just fine). I'm not sure what you mean regarding ads otherwise. > The real best way to avoid this is disable it in the settings and filter the device on your network then use something like a Shield TV for the smarts That's actually a bad recommendation, because then you'll still have to deal with the painfully slow startup times of a smart TV whenever you want to watch content and the TV actually modifying the image (most cheaper TVs don't offer a mode that avoids sharpening/softening/interpolating/color correcting/etc). And regular TVs often don't allow color calibration with an external probe either.