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This is not a new finding. It's common enough to have a name: the cholesterol paradox (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6374572/ https://www.ncbi.nl
by sooheon 5y ago
This is not a new finding. It's common enough to have a name: the cholesterol paradox (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6374572/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6374572/). Also replicated in a more recent n=100k Denmark study: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4266 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4266
These are all observational studies, meaning cause and effect is not established. It's relevant that people with some cancers will have very low cholesterol (the cancer apparently using it as fuel source), which reverts to normal in remission. Other medical conditions can lower serum cholesterol, from IBD to chronic liver disease (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3271321/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3271321/).
If low cholesterol is inherently mortality inducing, lowering it directly in otherwise healthy people should cause more deaths. This is a testable hypothesis. The Denmark study found that people on statins (cholesterol lowering) did not die more, even when they were on the lower side of the U curve.
There have also been countless RCTs with statins (or other cholesterol reduction drugs) being the only controlled intervention, finding that low TC improves total mortality.
A long term study tracking change in total cholesterol found that people who always had low TC (genetically) did not have a higher risk of death, but those whose TC suddenly dropped from normal to low had a higher risk of cancer: "We observed a significant risk of cancer, noncardiovascular noncancer, and all-cause mortality in men whose TC levels changed to low (<180 mg/dL) from the middle (180 to 239 mg/dL) level at baseline." (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.92.9.2396 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.92.9.2396)
These points together point to the low cholesterol -> high mortality link as being a biomarker of underlying disease, not a direct causal link.
(Info taken from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxX51n2Z0vc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxX51n2Z0vc)
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edit: skimmed the paper, authors mention everything in this post but have some counterpoints. They point to other longitudinal studies where consistently low cholesterol was a risk factor for death (a point against the sudden lowering due to cancer hypothesis). There are many studies like this, but the problem is while we have shown the link b/w cardiovascular death and high cholesterol through RCTs, there are no strong theories for the diseases caused by low cholesterol, while we know cancer and chronic liver disease cause low cholesterol. It could just be a marker of general frailty in old age.
- stavros 5y agoThat's very informative, thank you.
- sooheon 5y agoYou're welcome. Here's to informed health!
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- lvass 5y agoPlease enlighten us how you know statin health effects are 100% related to the fact their usage happen to reduce TC measurements, as your entire post assumes that. Alternative hypothesis: high cholesterol is correlated (a small part of TC is from eating) with some adverse medical condition that statins are effective against. From this cohort, statin users measure lower cholesterol and die less. That lower cholesterol is always desirable and we should stop eating eggs would make absolutely no sense.
- sooheon 5y agoI don't know 100%. I'm not a lipidologist or god. However, logically my post does not entirely rely on knowing the precise in vivo mechanism of statins and their causal health effects. We only need to see that in RCTs, lowered cholesterol doesn't cause increased mortality as these observational studies would suggest. That is a pretty direct test of the null hypothesis. edit re your alternative hypothesis: what is this underlying adverse medical condition, and how is it resolved by statins? Every source I can find agrees statins work straightforwardly by inhibiting biosynthesis of cholesterol in the liver.
- lvass 5y agoIf you don't assume we don't know nearly anything, you're bound to jump into some early and bad conclusions. I have no idea what such condition may be. Heck, a year ago we thought the human body had a different number of bones than we do now. We definitely do not understand how cholesterol in the diet or otherwise affects health, and using statin studies is a really long shot.