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They have refused to recognize Crimea and the Donbas as independent entities as requested by Russia. They are definitely moving away from being beholden to Russ

They have refused to recognize Crimea and the Donbas as independent entities as requested by Russia. They are definitely moving away from being beholden to Russia.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>They are definitely moving away from being beholden to Russia. That's one way to you find your post-soviet country attacked by Russia's army in order to "protect Russian minorities there" and "liberate your country from nazis". Though Russia is currently too busy in the west right now to register Kazakhstan on the radar, so now is probably the golden opportunity to break your chains from them if you have any.
- throwaways85989 5y ago
  I think that this is the reason why many countries will use the spur of the moment. Russia falling apart that publicly with such a weak leadership, that will become a hot summer allover the border regions.
- risyachka 5y ago
  Russia will think many times over before attacking another country now. Everybody has seen how actually weak their army is. Before that, counties and people were afraid of them mostly because of soviet era fame. Now they've shown they are incapable on anything except missile hits with a great failure rate.
  - forum_ghost 5y ago
    but isn't 1/3rd of a country size of France is under their control now, and ruble trades higher than before sanctions? Russia's performance was certainly underwhelming, especially their logistics and general appearance of disorganization, but weak might also be a bit of a stretch.
    - 323 5y ago
      The ruble interest rate was increased to 20%. You can make any currency go higher with a sufficiently high interest rate, but that interest hike has a huge impact on the economy. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/russia-central-bank-hikes-interest-rates-to-20percent-from-9point5percent-to-bolster-ruble.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/russia-central-bank-hikes-in...
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    - kasey_junk 5y ago
      You can’t actually trade rubles anywhere. Russia has gone from a relatively liberal currency with normal interest rates to one of the strictest currency control regimes in the world and 20% interest rates. Russia is bankrupting itself to prop that number up and if they let up for even a week the currency flight would crater the exchange rate.
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  - unmole 5y ago
    > missile hits with a great failure rate Any sources for this?
    - sndean 5y ago
      This Reuters article[1] says: > Citing U.S. intelligence, three U.S. officials said the United States estimated that Russia's failure rate varied day-to-day, depended on the type of missile being launched, and could sometimes exceed 50%. Two of them said it reached as high as 60%. But this blog post is a bit more informative [2] [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-assesses-up-60-failure-rate-some-russian-missiles-officials-say-2022-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive... [2] https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2022/04/ukraine-russias-air-launched-cruise-missiles-coming-up-short https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2022/04/ukraine-...
      - unmole 5y ago
        Thanks!
    - lizknope 5y ago
      https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-assesses-up-60-failure-rate-some-russian-missiles-officials-say-2022-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive... google "russian missile failure rate" and you can find many more articles
  - NikolaNovak 5y ago
    I understand they've likely failed at their military goals. But they've succeeded in pummeling Ukraine into stone age. These "unsuccessful" strikes last I heard caused just over half a trillion of damage - so far :(. Ukraine economy is anticipated to be down 40% in 2022 - and that's an optimistic estimate. And 4-5mil of their own people have already fled the country. I think it's one thing for us to speak how "weak Russian army is" from far away. Inefficient as it may be, it still makes your day pretty lousy. And your country. And the convenient thing about authoritarian regime and culture that's enjoyed sense of martyrdom for centuries is they can bear far far greater losses than most in the west. I don't think people around Russia are drawing the same conclusions as "Russia will think twice". A different conclusion may be "Russia Will attack a country if it really wants ti, and pummel it to rubble, consequences be damned". If I were their neighbour, I would think of Russia as pissed, not weak, right now.
    - celticninja 5y ago
      Ukraine will rebuild and come back stronger, Russia will not be able to,they are a dying regime and a dying country.
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        >Ukraine will rebuild and come back stronger With what money? The west will hardly make any significant loans or investments to Ukraine, when Russia can always steamroll in, and shell everything to pieces whoever they feel like it. If Ukraine were under the NATO protection like the Baltic and EE states, then yeah, investors can expect their money is safe there. But until Ukraine gets any real protection against future Russian aggression, not much will change.
      - NikolaNovak 5y ago
        I wish I were that optimistic. I know we need to support and encourage the spirits of Ukrainians, but this is a phenomenal amount of damage caused. And not just infrastructure. Rebuild and come back stronger is one possible path out of this. There are many others that are possible or likely.
    - 5y ago
- celticninja 5y ago
  Attacked by what? Russia's army? What's left of it will be needed to keep Russia from imploding, there isn't going to be much spare capacity to go and prop up friendly dictators. Let's see what happens next time the Belarusians protest. One reason Lukashenko won't join the war is that he knows it will be the straw that breaks the camels back and there won't be enough Russian troops to prop him up.
elliekelly 5y ago
They’ve also been working on building/fostering an innovation hub in the capital, Astana. A “free trade” zone, of sorts, where Western property and business law applies in order to attract talent & encourage investment. My understanding is they’re hoping to be a “market” for startups between East and West similar to Singapore or Hong Kong. They want to attract talent from China and Russia who can then fundraise from the West who will (presumably) be more interested in investing in a lower-risk jurisdiction that uses a familiar legal system. I’m not sure it’s quite as easy to just “use” Western law as Kazakhstan seems to think. The black letter law doesn’t matter so much as how it’s interpreted and whether it’s consistently applied in court. It’s an interesting idea, though. And if they can get it off the ground it seems like a good strategy to take advantage of their unique geo-political position.
Georgelemental 5y ago
Russian peacekeepers intervened in favor of Tokayev during the unrest this past January.

They have refused to recognize Crimea and the Donbas as independent entities as requested by Russia. They are definitely moving away from being beholden to Russia.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>They are definitely moving away from being beholden to Russia. That's one way to you find your post-soviet country attacked by Russia's army in order to "protect Russian minorities there" and "liberate your country from nazis". Though Russia is currently too busy in the west right now to register Kazakhstan on the radar, so now is probably the golden opportunity to break your chains from them if you have any.

throwaways85989 5y ago
I think that this is the reason why many countries will use the spur of the moment. Russia falling apart that publicly with such a weak leadership, that will become a hot summer allover the border regions.
risyachka 5y ago
Russia will think many times over before attacking another country now. Everybody has seen how actually weak their army is. Before that, counties and people were afraid of them mostly because of soviet era fame. Now they've shown they are incapable on anything except missile hits with a great failure rate.
- forum_ghost 5y ago
  but isn't 1/3rd of a country size of France is under their control now, and ruble trades higher than before sanctions? Russia's performance was certainly underwhelming, especially their logistics and general appearance of disorganization, but weak might also be a bit of a stretch.
  - 323 5y ago
    The ruble interest rate was increased to 20%. You can make any currency go higher with a sufficiently high interest rate, but that interest hike has a huge impact on the economy. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/russia-central-bank-hikes-interest-rates-to-20percent-from-9point5percent-to-bolster-ruble.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/russia-central-bank-hikes-in...
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  - kasey_junk 5y ago
    You can’t actually trade rubles anywhere. Russia has gone from a relatively liberal currency with normal interest rates to one of the strictest currency control regimes in the world and 20% interest rates. Russia is bankrupting itself to prop that number up and if they let up for even a week the currency flight would crater the exchange rate.
    - deleted 5y ago
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- unmole 5y ago
  > missile hits with a great failure rate Any sources for this?
  - sndean 5y ago
    This Reuters article[1] says: > Citing U.S. intelligence, three U.S. officials said the United States estimated that Russia's failure rate varied day-to-day, depended on the type of missile being launched, and could sometimes exceed 50%. Two of them said it reached as high as 60%. But this blog post is a bit more informative [2] [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-assesses-up-60-failure-rate-some-russian-missiles-officials-say-2022-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive... [2] https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2022/04/ukraine-russias-air-launched-cruise-missiles-coming-up-short https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2022/04/ukraine-...
    - unmole 5y ago
      Thanks!
  - lizknope 5y ago
    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-assesses-up-60-failure-rate-some-russian-missiles-officials-say-2022-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive... google "russian missile failure rate" and you can find many more articles
- NikolaNovak 5y ago
  I understand they've likely failed at their military goals. But they've succeeded in pummeling Ukraine into stone age. These "unsuccessful" strikes last I heard caused just over half a trillion of damage - so far :(. Ukraine economy is anticipated to be down 40% in 2022 - and that's an optimistic estimate. And 4-5mil of their own people have already fled the country. I think it's one thing for us to speak how "weak Russian army is" from far away. Inefficient as it may be, it still makes your day pretty lousy. And your country. And the convenient thing about authoritarian regime and culture that's enjoyed sense of martyrdom for centuries is they can bear far far greater losses than most in the west. I don't think people around Russia are drawing the same conclusions as "Russia will think twice". A different conclusion may be "Russia Will attack a country if it really wants ti, and pummel it to rubble, consequences be damned". If I were their neighbour, I would think of Russia as pissed, not weak, right now.
  - celticninja 5y ago
    Ukraine will rebuild and come back stronger, Russia will not be able to,they are a dying regime and a dying country.
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      >Ukraine will rebuild and come back stronger With what money? The west will hardly make any significant loans or investments to Ukraine, when Russia can always steamroll in, and shell everything to pieces whoever they feel like it. If Ukraine were under the NATO protection like the Baltic and EE states, then yeah, investors can expect their money is safe there. But until Ukraine gets any real protection against future Russian aggression, not much will change.
    - NikolaNovak 5y ago
      I wish I were that optimistic. I know we need to support and encourage the spirits of Ukrainians, but this is a phenomenal amount of damage caused. And not just infrastructure. Rebuild and come back stronger is one possible path out of this. There are many others that are possible or likely.
  - 5y ago
celticninja 5y ago
Attacked by what? Russia's army? What's left of it will be needed to keep Russia from imploding, there isn't going to be much spare capacity to go and prop up friendly dictators. Let's see what happens next time the Belarusians protest. One reason Lukashenko won't join the war is that he knows it will be the straw that breaks the camels back and there won't be enough Russian troops to prop him up.

elliekelly 5y ago

They’ve also been working on building/fostering an innovation hub in the capital, Astana. A “free trade” zone, of sorts, where Western property and business law applies in order to attract talent & encourage investment. My understanding is they’re hoping to be a “market” for startups between East and West similar to Singapore or Hong Kong. They want to attract talent from China and Russia who can then fundraise from the West who will (presumably) be more interested in investing in a lower-risk jurisdiction that uses a familiar legal system. I’m not sure it’s quite as easy to just “use” Western law as Kazakhstan seems to think. The black letter law doesn’t matter so much as how it’s interpreted and whether it’s consistently applied in court. It’s an interesting idea, though. And if they can get it off the ground it seems like a good strategy to take advantage of their unique geo-political position.

Georgelemental 5y ago

Russian peacekeepers intervened in favor of Tokayev during the unrest this past January.