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You guys are all being absurdly ridiculous. I don't know why programmers make such reaches when the answer is much simpler. University student looking for easy

by raunak 5y ago

You guys are all being absurdly ridiculous. I don't know why programmers make such reaches when the answer is much simpler. University student looking for easy side project to create and put on resume decides to go with "inclusive language bot", doesn't actually put in effort beyond wix site and ridiculously simple bot, boom. That's all this is.

tomlockwood 5y ago
Yeah, the amount of moralistic tutting and vitriol in this thread is ridiculous. And ironically the same people would complain about moralistic tutting and vitriol.
- psyc 5y ago
  Right, the ol’ whatever you object to, you’re guilty of routine. No false equivalence there. IGYNYSOAB! Oh no, now I’m guilty too.
  - tomlockwood 5y ago
    Haha! You got me! There's no comparison between people railing against a trend they say is now the status quo and which was mostly formed on echo chamber social media sites by people railing against the status quo, on their echo chamber social media site. :)
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tjpnz 5y ago
You're probably right about it being an exercise in resume building, and that's totally fine. But then they unleashed their creation on projects as prominent as Rust. If you're looking for that kind of exposure you might want to spend twenty minutes testing the code first.
- yongjik 5y ago
  > If you're looking for that kind of exposure you might want to spend twenty minutes testing the code first. Eh... I think that part is explained by "University student" ...
  - knighthack 5y ago
    A "university student" has no free license to go around damaging the work of professional developers (whose output is relied by many other programmers around the world). Even actual interns at companies try to tread carefully when it comes to the work of people there. The fact that the "university student" doesn't even care about basic syntax (e.g. the word 'man' for manual), and repeatedly spams repos, tells you that this is a really carelessly-designed bot and that the writer of the bot is incompetent and disruptive.
KennyBlanken 5y ago
I think it's more likely to be the project of a near-retirement-age programmer who is outraged at all the "social justice warriors running amock" and created the project to mock people working on inclusiveness, generate blowback at them, and misrepresent their movement to de-legitimize them. Sort of like how in the 50's and 60's everyone ran around screaming about how feminists were "kill all men" commie baby-stealers. It's working. Look at all the comments here full of outrage at how "PC" everything has gotten etc...by people who clearly have no idea what the actual majority of people pushing for inclusive language are typically suggesting and shy. You see this a lot from conservative/right-wing types, because it's a lot easier to strawman and ad-hominem someone pushing for inclusiveness based on empathy than it is to present a legitimate argument. There really isn't a legitimate counter-argument to "can we please work to discontinue using 'master' and 'slave' to describe things in computer science and electronics" so people just run to "THIS IS ABSURD!"
- mechanical_bear 5y ago
  "can we please work to discontinue using 'master' and 'slave' to describe things in computer science and electronics" This is not an argument, thus it does not require a counter argument. This is a silly request, with no justification. Nothing more.
  - rybosome 5y ago
    It’s not a silly request. “Slave” is a very specific term that is highly emotionally charged. There are plenty of alternatives which convey the intended meaning just as clearly without the offensive connotation. Imagine if one were to insist on referring to “male” and “female” connectors as “cocks” and “fuckholes”. This is not a hill worth dying on.
    - ravar 5y ago
      Yes slave is derived from the word slav as they were the victims of the brutal ottoman slave trade for hundreds of years. We should be nicer to our slavic bretheren.
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alephxyz 5y ago
Looking at the contribution history of that bot's repos, I believe you're correct. Appears to just be a single student attempting to pad their resume by issuing PRs to the largest repos on GitHub.

by raunak 5y ago

tomlockwood 5y ago

Yeah, the amount of moralistic tutting and vitriol in this thread is ridiculous. And ironically the same people would complain about moralistic tutting and vitriol.

psyc 5y ago
Right, the ol’ whatever you object to, you’re guilty of routine. No false equivalence there. IGYNYSOAB! Oh no, now I’m guilty too.
- tomlockwood 5y ago
  Haha! You got me! There's no comparison between people railing against a trend they say is now the status quo and which was mostly formed on echo chamber social media sites by people railing against the status quo, on their echo chamber social media site. :)

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tjpnz 5y ago

You're probably right about it being an exercise in resume building, and that's totally fine. But then they unleashed their creation on projects as prominent as Rust. If you're looking for that kind of exposure you might want to spend twenty minutes testing the code first.

yongjik 5y ago
> If you're looking for that kind of exposure you might want to spend twenty minutes testing the code first. Eh... I think that part is explained by "University student" ...
- knighthack 5y ago
  A "university student" has no free license to go around damaging the work of professional developers (whose output is relied by many other programmers around the world). Even actual interns at companies try to tread carefully when it comes to the work of people there. The fact that the "university student" doesn't even care about basic syntax (e.g. the word 'man' for manual), and repeatedly spams repos, tells you that this is a really carelessly-designed bot and that the writer of the bot is incompetent and disruptive.

KennyBlanken 5y ago

I think it's more likely to be the project of a near-retirement-age programmer who is outraged at all the "social justice warriors running amock" and created the project to mock people working on inclusiveness, generate blowback at them, and misrepresent their movement to de-legitimize them. Sort of like how in the 50's and 60's everyone ran around screaming about how feminists were "kill all men" commie baby-stealers. It's working. Look at all the comments here full of outrage at how "PC" everything has gotten etc...by people who clearly have no idea what the actual majority of people pushing for inclusive language are typically suggesting and shy. You see this a lot from conservative/right-wing types, because it's a lot easier to strawman and ad-hominem someone pushing for inclusiveness based on empathy than it is to present a legitimate argument. There really isn't a legitimate counter-argument to "can we please work to discontinue using 'master' and 'slave' to describe things in computer science and electronics" so people just run to "THIS IS ABSURD!"

mechanical_bear 5y ago
"can we please work to discontinue using 'master' and 'slave' to describe things in computer science and electronics" This is not an argument, thus it does not require a counter argument. This is a silly request, with no justification. Nothing more.
- rybosome 5y ago
  It’s not a silly request. “Slave” is a very specific term that is highly emotionally charged. There are plenty of alternatives which convey the intended meaning just as clearly without the offensive connotation. Imagine if one were to insist on referring to “male” and “female” connectors as “cocks” and “fuckholes”. This is not a hill worth dying on.
  - ravar 5y ago
    Yes slave is derived from the word slav as they were the victims of the brutal ottoman slave trade for hundreds of years. We should be nicer to our slavic bretheren.
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alephxyz 5y ago

Looking at the contribution history of that bot's repos, I believe you're correct. Appears to just be a single student attempting to pad their resume by issuing PRs to the largest repos on GitHub.