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This comment is ridiculous. Facebook has some of the best researchers in machine learning and deep learning. And if AI at Facebook were a vanity division, Faceb

by rwalle 5y ago

This comment is ridiculous. Facebook has some of the best researchers in machine learning and deep learning. And if AI at Facebook were a vanity division, Facebook would never have a viable ad business, and the entire Facebook would have shut down years ago.

Fricken 5y ago
Facebook recorded it's first profit in 2009. FAIR was begun in 2013.
- question_away 5y ago
  Facebook Earnings 2021 $46.75 B 2020 $32.67 B 2019 $24.83 B 2018 $25.37 B 2017 $20.59 B 2016 $12.52 B 2015 $6.21 B 2014 $4.93 B 2013 $2.81 B 2012 $0.54 B 2011 $1.73 B
  - x-n2o 5y ago
    What happened in 2012?
    - quantum_magpie 5y ago
      They bought insta for 1B
la64710 5y ago
Just for curiosity , can someone please point out what are the AI things that came out of Febu that is now in the public domain and used everywhere? Like for example Tensorflow from google. Edit: never mind I found it https://ai.facebook.com/tools/ https://ai.facebook.com/tools/
- adamnemecek 5y ago
  PyTorch
  - aix1 5y ago
    And in terms of relative popularity of TensorFlow and PyTorch: https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/pytorch-vs-tensorflow-in-2022/ https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/pytorch-vs-tensorflow-in-202...
    - soramimo 5y ago
      Thanks, this is useful.
- yunyu 5y ago
  PyTorch
otabdeveloper4 5y ago
"AI" isn't used in adtech. Adtech runs on econometrics and stats, rocking it like it's 1964. t. Almost 20 years of leadership positions in adtech.
- dlp211 5y ago
  What utter nonsense. There are entire bidding platforms built on top of AI/ML. And that is just one aspect of adtech.
  - whiplash451 5y ago
    To be fair, these ad tech platforms are built on top of algorithms that predate the latest AI revolution significantly. Logistic regression and matrix factorization get you very far in adtech. A lot of the performance then comes from heavy engineering.
    - dlp211 5y ago
      The claim was that AI wasn't used in Ad Tech at all. Not the latest AI. I agree with your assessment, but to say that AI/ML isn't used in AdTech is just nonsense. AdTech, especially the last 20 years has been built on core AI/ML concepts. I also highly doubt that the latest AI tech isn't being applied somewhere in the AdTech space, but I left AdTech a while ago and am never looking back.
      - MrMan 5y ago
        maybe AI is just ML that uses neural networks trained using a GPU. I tend to never say AI and always say ML, but I am old
  - otabdeveloper4 5y ago
    "AI" is a specific subset of ML. The kind of ML that is used in adtech is the kind that isn't "AI".
    - 5y ago
CoastalCoder 5y ago
> This comment is ridiculous. I suggest finding more polite ways to critique a post. Otherwise discussions tend to get boring quickly. Also, the GP was explicitly describing their perception, not trying to promote it as truth. One interesting response would be "I really think that's false. I wonder how we reached such different conclusions."
- version_five 5y ago
  The original commenter was talking out of their ass and not remotely qualified to comment, given they gave such a patently false opinion - they are just providing an ignorant hot take. The parent comment to yours is completely appropriate IMO, it's not attacking the poster, it calls out the comment. Your condescending follow-up only takes away from the overall level of discourse, to say nothing of the kind of responses (like mine) is ends up invoking. Nothing wrong with calling out BS, it would be much worse, both in terms of honesty and condescension, to give the fake "I wonder..." that you suggest
akhmatova 5y ago
Facebook has some of the best researchers in machine learning and deep learning. Which is exactly why some consider it to be a vanity division. All that brain power devoted to a company nobody (genuinely) respects, and whose sense of vision -- in the current year, 2022 -- teeters between stale and outright delusional. But hey, if it gets you $300k a year for easy work and resume cred for the kind of job you really want -- go for it.
- cudgy 5y ago
  Maybe the resume credibility is not what it was once perceived to be. I also find it hard to take Facebook AI seriously and have no reason as of yet to believe it won’t be used for low brow reasons like increasing user addiction to their apps, censorship of user opinions, or increasing advertising engagement. In fact, I am skeptical of AI and ML in general for its effectiveness, purpose, and applications.
  - akhmatova 5y ago
    In fact, I am skeptical of AI and ML in general for its effectiveness, purpose, and applications. Agreed. It's all about the application and purpose (and the hubris of some of its practitioners), not the theory (or even the demonstrated effectiveness in certain areas). When we see these disconnects at "work", on the ground -- in terms of lack of relevance / applicability to what the business actually needs -- they are sometimes quite startling, in fact.

by rwalle 5y ago

Fricken 5y ago

Facebook recorded it's first profit in 2009. FAIR was begun in 2013.

question_away 5y ago
Facebook Earnings 2021 $46.75 B 2020 $32.67 B 2019 $24.83 B 2018 $25.37 B 2017 $20.59 B 2016 $12.52 B 2015 $6.21 B 2014 $4.93 B 2013 $2.81 B 2012 $0.54 B 2011 $1.73 B
- x-n2o 5y ago
  What happened in 2012?
  - quantum_magpie 5y ago
    They bought insta for 1B

la64710 5y ago

Just for curiosity , can someone please point out what are the AI things that came out of Febu that is now in the public domain and used everywhere? Like for example Tensorflow from google. Edit: never mind I found it https://ai.facebook.com/tools/ https://ai.facebook.com/tools/

adamnemecek 5y ago
PyTorch
- aix1 5y ago
  And in terms of relative popularity of TensorFlow and PyTorch: https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/pytorch-vs-tensorflow-in-2022/ https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/pytorch-vs-tensorflow-in-202...
  - soramimo 5y ago
    Thanks, this is useful.
yunyu 5y ago
PyTorch

otabdeveloper4 5y ago

"AI" isn't used in adtech. Adtech runs on econometrics and stats, rocking it like it's 1964. t. Almost 20 years of leadership positions in adtech.

dlp211 5y ago
What utter nonsense. There are entire bidding platforms built on top of AI/ML. And that is just one aspect of adtech.
- whiplash451 5y ago
  To be fair, these ad tech platforms are built on top of algorithms that predate the latest AI revolution significantly. Logistic regression and matrix factorization get you very far in adtech. A lot of the performance then comes from heavy engineering.
  - dlp211 5y ago
    The claim was that AI wasn't used in Ad Tech at all. Not the latest AI. I agree with your assessment, but to say that AI/ML isn't used in AdTech is just nonsense. AdTech, especially the last 20 years has been built on core AI/ML concepts. I also highly doubt that the latest AI tech isn't being applied somewhere in the AdTech space, but I left AdTech a while ago and am never looking back.
    - MrMan 5y ago
      maybe AI is just ML that uses neural networks trained using a GPU. I tend to never say AI and always say ML, but I am old
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  "AI" is a specific subset of ML. The kind of ML that is used in adtech is the kind that isn't "AI".
  - 5y ago

CoastalCoder 5y ago

> This comment is ridiculous. I suggest finding more polite ways to critique a post. Otherwise discussions tend to get boring quickly. Also, the GP was explicitly describing their perception, not trying to promote it as truth. One interesting response would be "I really think that's false. I wonder how we reached such different conclusions."

version_five 5y ago
The original commenter was talking out of their ass and not remotely qualified to comment, given they gave such a patently false opinion - they are just providing an ignorant hot take. The parent comment to yours is completely appropriate IMO, it's not attacking the poster, it calls out the comment. Your condescending follow-up only takes away from the overall level of discourse, to say nothing of the kind of responses (like mine) is ends up invoking. Nothing wrong with calling out BS, it would be much worse, both in terms of honesty and condescension, to give the fake "I wonder..." that you suggest

akhmatova 5y ago

Facebook has some of the best researchers in machine learning and deep learning. Which is exactly why some consider it to be a vanity division. All that brain power devoted to a company nobody (genuinely) respects, and whose sense of vision -- in the current year, 2022 -- teeters between stale and outright delusional. But hey, if it gets you $300k a year for easy work and resume cred for the kind of job you really want -- go for it.

cudgy 5y ago
Maybe the resume credibility is not what it was once perceived to be. I also find it hard to take Facebook AI seriously and have no reason as of yet to believe it won’t be used for low brow reasons like increasing user addiction to their apps, censorship of user opinions, or increasing advertising engagement. In fact, I am skeptical of AI and ML in general for its effectiveness, purpose, and applications.
- akhmatova 5y ago
  In fact, I am skeptical of AI and ML in general for its effectiveness, purpose, and applications. Agreed. It's all about the application and purpose (and the hubris of some of its practitioners), not the theory (or even the demonstrated effectiveness in certain areas). When we see these disconnects at "work", on the ground -- in terms of lack of relevance / applicability to what the business actually needs -- they are sometimes quite startling, in fact.