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I've never understood why a new ball in introduced only at the tournament itself - where no players have had any previous experience with using it, and any chan

I've never understood why a new ball in introduced only at the tournament itself - where no players have had any previous experience with using it, and any changes it brings - rather than for the qualifying campaign so that any nuance required can already be learned and thus they would get to use to its full potential. For a tournament featuring the best of the best, where the champions of the world are to be decided, changing the equipment that all participants have been used to in the previous years is a weird idea.

AndrewOMartin 5y ago
Just try to imagine the most vulgar, dirty, corrupt and cynical reason why it might be that way. You'll probably be right.
- jeffrallen 5y ago
  A mafioso kidnapped the daughter of a manufacturer to force him to blackmail a national football chairman to bribe a FIFA official, because the mafioso owes a favor to an east Asian gang, who will benefit from increased demand for their slave labour in Burmese factories? Nah, couldn't be. Not dirty enough for FIFA.
  - DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
    > Nah, couldn't be. Not dirty enough for FIFA. In utilitarian net terms the (BAFTA award winning) scenario you posit is far, far, far, better than the current situation where an estimated 6500+ exploited migrant workers have died building out the stadiums and infrastructure.
- KarlKemp 5y ago
  The site guidelines recommend an assumption of good faith. That’s something that may just be advised more broadly these days, and you are failing it quite spectacularly.
  - joe_fishfish 5y ago
    Given the context here (a World Cup awarded to _Qatar_ of all places) it's arguably more of a good faith assumption that FIFA is indeed corrupt, because the alternative assumption is that its members are mind-blowingly incompetent, to the point where you'd be assuming they required assisted living programmes and round-the-clock care.
  - phone8675309 5y ago
    The history of FIFA and the actions they have taken means they have lost the right to the presumption of good faith, regardless of what the site guidelines recommend.
  - baud147258 5y ago
    From my readings of the rules, the assumption of good faith was to be applied to the comments, not the content of linked pages.
nmehner 5y ago
There is only a handful of qualification matches and each league is using a different ball anyways: http://football-balls.com/balls http://football-balls.com/balls Probably they are all quite similar and having a new type of ball for a tournament is more about marketing and sales.
- endominus 5y ago
  But having the ball available to practice with would still be useful. The ball can indeed make a difference; I seem to recall quite a stir during the Brazil World Cup when the players kept complaining that the seven-panel ball they were using was uncontrollable - like "kicking around a beach ball."
  - smcl 5y ago
    They can still practice with it, and (I think) use it in the friendlies in the run-in to the finals.
- smcl 5y ago
  Depends. CONMEBOL has a pretty arduous qualification process, eighteen matches against the likes of Brazil and Argentina :-O UEFA has ten (and potentially a couple of playoff rounds)
- iainmerrick 5y ago
  Right -- a decent quality football might cost £5-10, an official 2022/23 Champion's League replica ball costs £25.
smcl 5y ago
While I agree with you and believe that this is purely for the purpose of making money, the World Cup is still 8 months away. There are a few rounds of international friendlies where teams can get match practice with the ball, and indeed there are still a handful of undecided places (if everyone can please cross their fingers for Scotland I would appreciate it)
- NiagaraThistle 5y ago
  FIngers are crossed, prayers have been sent, hope is at an all time high. 25 years is a long time to have been waiting.
d--b 5y ago
It's because it's BS. A football is a football. They make a new ball to sell it, and the players don't complain cause the changes are negligible in a real world environment. Wind and human imprecision have a much larger effect on a ball's flight than the difference in texture between a regular ball and a world cup ball.
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  The Jabulani is proof that this isn't true. The ball can have an enormous effect.
  - littlestymaar 5y ago
    It was supposedly the a keeper's nightmare (because of its chaotic trajectories) yet this world cup was the cup with the lowest amount of goal scored in the past 20 years and came with the record of the fewest goals scored by a world cup winner, so we can argue that it didn't have the effect people feared…
    - lordnacho 5y ago
      Cynical old man here says that all this talk of the ball making a difference is made up by marketing people to sell more balls. It's not hard to coax someone into saying Coke tastes different to Pepsi. It does, but not enough to make a real difference to anything. Similarly you can get someone to say one ball is different to another. And you will, if you want to get people to buy this special world cup ball. We've all played with different balls at times. Did it ever matter at all? I think that prior has to stand until there's some quite compelling evidence that isn't just advertising in disguise.
      - ZephyrBlu 5y ago
        If you had played football with a shit tier ball and with a top tier ball you would know how large the difference between them is. Does it have an effect on the outcome of the game? No idea. But the feel is extremely different.
verisimi 5y ago
> I've never understood why a new ball in introduced only at the tournament itself Well, its a simple answer I think - its the way to sell the most amount of balls and maximise profit. Footballers (all professional sportsmen really) are entertainers - they are there to harness the energy we have for what they do, and turn it into profits.
dfxm12 5y ago
Obviously they want to sell balls, but in addition to that, adapting to a new ball is a skill that itself can be developed and is regularly put to test. changing the equipment that all participants have been used to in the previous years is a weird idea. Does the Italian Serie A use the same ball year to year? Do they use the same ball as the Spanish La Liga? Does either league use the same ball as the Champions League? Usually not. Top players are used to working new balls pretty regularly. It is part of the game.

AndrewOMartin 5y ago

Just try to imagine the most vulgar, dirty, corrupt and cynical reason why it might be that way. You'll probably be right.

jeffrallen 5y ago
A mafioso kidnapped the daughter of a manufacturer to force him to blackmail a national football chairman to bribe a FIFA official, because the mafioso owes a favor to an east Asian gang, who will benefit from increased demand for their slave labour in Burmese factories? Nah, couldn't be. Not dirty enough for FIFA.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
  > Nah, couldn't be. Not dirty enough for FIFA. In utilitarian net terms the (BAFTA award winning) scenario you posit is far, far, far, better than the current situation where an estimated 6500+ exploited migrant workers have died building out the stadiums and infrastructure.
KarlKemp 5y ago
The site guidelines recommend an assumption of good faith. That’s something that may just be advised more broadly these days, and you are failing it quite spectacularly.
- joe_fishfish 5y ago
  Given the context here (a World Cup awarded to _Qatar_ of all places) it's arguably more of a good faith assumption that FIFA is indeed corrupt, because the alternative assumption is that its members are mind-blowingly incompetent, to the point where you'd be assuming they required assisted living programmes and round-the-clock care.
- phone8675309 5y ago
  The history of FIFA and the actions they have taken means they have lost the right to the presumption of good faith, regardless of what the site guidelines recommend.
- baud147258 5y ago
  From my readings of the rules, the assumption of good faith was to be applied to the comments, not the content of linked pages.

nmehner 5y ago

There is only a handful of qualification matches and each league is using a different ball anyways: http://football-balls.com/balls http://football-balls.com/balls Probably they are all quite similar and having a new type of ball for a tournament is more about marketing and sales.

endominus 5y ago
But having the ball available to practice with would still be useful. The ball can indeed make a difference; I seem to recall quite a stir during the Brazil World Cup when the players kept complaining that the seven-panel ball they were using was uncontrollable - like "kicking around a beach ball."
- smcl 5y ago
  They can still practice with it, and (I think) use it in the friendlies in the run-in to the finals.
smcl 5y ago
Depends. CONMEBOL has a pretty arduous qualification process, eighteen matches against the likes of Brazil and Argentina :-O UEFA has ten (and potentially a couple of playoff rounds)
iainmerrick 5y ago
Right -- a decent quality football might cost £5-10, an official 2022/23 Champion's League replica ball costs £25.

smcl 5y ago

While I agree with you and believe that this is purely for the purpose of making money, the World Cup is still 8 months away. There are a few rounds of international friendlies where teams can get match practice with the ball, and indeed there are still a handful of undecided places (if everyone can please cross their fingers for Scotland I would appreciate it)

NiagaraThistle 5y ago
FIngers are crossed, prayers have been sent, hope is at an all time high. 25 years is a long time to have been waiting.

d--b 5y ago

It's because it's BS. A football is a football. They make a new ball to sell it, and the players don't complain cause the changes are negligible in a real world environment. Wind and human imprecision have a much larger effect on a ball's flight than the difference in texture between a regular ball and a world cup ball.

ZephyrBlu 5y ago
The Jabulani is proof that this isn't true. The ball can have an enormous effect.
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  It was supposedly the a keeper's nightmare (because of its chaotic trajectories) yet this world cup was the cup with the lowest amount of goal scored in the past 20 years and came with the record of the fewest goals scored by a world cup winner, so we can argue that it didn't have the effect people feared…
  - lordnacho 5y ago
    Cynical old man here says that all this talk of the ball making a difference is made up by marketing people to sell more balls. It's not hard to coax someone into saying Coke tastes different to Pepsi. It does, but not enough to make a real difference to anything. Similarly you can get someone to say one ball is different to another. And you will, if you want to get people to buy this special world cup ball. We've all played with different balls at times. Did it ever matter at all? I think that prior has to stand until there's some quite compelling evidence that isn't just advertising in disguise.
    - ZephyrBlu 5y ago
      If you had played football with a shit tier ball and with a top tier ball you would know how large the difference between them is. Does it have an effect on the outcome of the game? No idea. But the feel is extremely different.

verisimi 5y ago

> I've never understood why a new ball in introduced only at the tournament itself Well, its a simple answer I think - its the way to sell the most amount of balls and maximise profit. Footballers (all professional sportsmen really) are entertainers - they are there to harness the energy we have for what they do, and turn it into profits.

dfxm12 5y ago

Obviously they want to sell balls, but in addition to that, adapting to a new ball is a skill that itself can be developed and is regularly put to test. changing the equipment that all participants have been used to in the previous years is a weird idea. Does the Italian Serie A use the same ball year to year? Do they use the same ball as the Spanish La Liga? Does either league use the same ball as the Champions League? Usually not. Top players are used to working new balls pretty regularly. It is part of the game.