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That data center association is just a huge lobby front. Just the website in itself is a hilarious joke and a complete cherrypicked representation of some numbe
by hetspookjee 5y ago
That data center association is just a huge lobby front. Just the website in itself is a hilarious joke and a complete cherrypicked representation of some numbers. Good luck finding any numbers there that may possible harm their case.
This data center is ridiculous beyond belief in Dutch aspects and that is even got this far in voting is solely due to the prime ministers choice to push these responsibilities toward local municipalities, a village of 30k inhabitants deciding if a power consumer equivalent of 700k inhabitants would fit in their region. The way they Facebook made their case was a joke too as they, just like Google and Microsoft argued there’d be many job opportunities and rest warmth.In addition they argued they needed to have an exception to be added to the power net which is already massively overburdened and lagging, just for the sake that the reigning party can appease their consumer. Even Eric Wiebes, the then minister of economics, meddled in this business in favour of “getting it done”. In the end our prime minister Mark Rutte who was from the same party also started to chime in to move things forward.
That this was shot down was only because, indeed, the entirety of the Netherlands was against this data center and the local municipality elections came by and destroyed all the parties that voted in favour. All of a sudden the powerless Huge de Groot found a way to block this thing.
It is more than a political decision but that this got blocked in the end does move me slightly away from the extreme cynism that is most apt as view on the whole of the Netherlands policital theater.
- belval 5y agoTo me that's just the system working as intended, if people voted against it then that's that.
- Dylan16807 5y ago> that is even got this far in voting is solely due to the prime ministers choice to push these responsibilities toward local municipalities, a village of 30k inhabitants deciding if a power consumer equivalent of 700k inhabitants would fit in their region. I don't see why that's a problem? > added to the power net which is already massively overburdened and lagging Is that being worked on? Is there a reason the electrical payments from the datacenter couldn't be used to make the power network net better? Charge them a higher rate for the first x years if necessary.
- colinmhayes 5y agoI think a large part of the problem is that they're building renewable power as fast as they can, but are still heavily reliant on Russian gas for electricity. So building this data center would increase their reliance on Russia.
- brianwawok 5y agoSo where does the data center go instead? Is that country not reliant on Russia?
- clem 5y agoIt's Meta's responsibility to justify the existence of their data center. It's not any country's responsibility to host it.
- hetspookjee 5y agoDenmark as that was their secondary location i belief.
- Dylan16807 5y agoPiles of money really couldn't speed that up appreciably? Or pay for non-Russian gas?
- mpol 5y agoThose piles of money would not be coming from Facebook, they hardly have to pay for any infrastructure and are heavily subsidized. The energy network has some issues. It needs a lot of work to be upgraded. Salary of technical engineers in semi-government is maxed and there is a shortage or workers at the infrastructure companies. Then there is a first come first serve rule for new connections which causes sun farms to go where the land is cheap, which is often the opposite area from where energy is used.
- simfree 5y agoPiles of money inflate the cost of labor and distort the economy, as your using that pile of money to reallocate part of the existing labor pool.