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This is the reason why the US system is better than Canada. In Canada you can't shop around and need referrals for specialists.

by ipaddr 5y ago

fpgaminer 5y ago
IIUC the vast majority of Americans don't have that privilege either and need referrals. You have to be on more expensive health plans to be able to pick your specialist. (That's been my past experience with HMOs). I finally got on a PPO recently and it was a bizarre but pleasant experience to just ... refer myself to a specialist :)
paxys 5y ago
You can find the best medical care in the world in the US if you have the means to pay for it. I don't think people will agree though that it is the indicator for the best healthcare system.
- ionicgiraffe 5y ago
  I would even say that any person of any country with enough financial resources could afford and get the best treatment in whatever country of the world would happen to be offered.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    That involves flying to the US in many cases
    - hedora 5y ago
      And flying out of the US in most cases.
      - ionicgiraffe 5y ago
        Indeed, I have just realized that the main problem of the US healthcare system is that their inhabitants cannot even imagine that anything better even exists. Healthcare is much more than being operated or receiving some treatment for a rare condition, both things that are very much researched and done outside the US both privately and with public money. Healthcare is also about allowing people with health problems to live with dignity and allow then to function in society. To care for the weak and not only to restore productivity of a broken cog. Healthcare is about a strong first line of care that prevent conditions to get worse and irreparable. Many countries with a thousand or less of US's GDP can teach a lesson or two on that. In any case, most countries are slowly copying many aspects of US healthcare, I guess it must be indeed be better, or perhaps more profitable.
sterlind 5y ago
I think you can shop around in Canada, if you have private insurance. the universal healthcare system is just a baseline, to keep people from dying on the street after medical bankruptcy. many jobs offer supplementary health insurance as a benefit. the US just uses ERs as an infinitely shittier but equally costly version.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  You can't book an appointment directly with a specialist. You can't even shop around for a family doctor. You have to sell them accepting you as a patient. With that power inbalance you better follow what they suggest and avoid questioning too much or you won't have a doctor.
  - hedora 5y ago
    I've had the same experience with non-HMO coverage in the US. With HMO's, you're guaranteed someone will be assigned to you. With traditional insurance, there's a big labor shortage, and there are often <= 1 doctors accepting patients in some towns.
- nradov 5y ago
  Wealthy Canadians tend to just come to the US in order to skip the waiting lines.
s0rce 5y ago
Why can't you shop around? You aren't forced to go to a specific doctor. It certainly might be challenging but that's also the case in the USA.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  You have a family doctor who you are signed up with. You can't signup with another without losing your family doctor. You can't just go see any doctor. They have to decide to take you. Then if you are lucky you get a referral for a year later. You do have places you can walk in but there ability to refer is much lower. In the USA you literally shop around. They advertise. You can literally look for the best surgeon and ask around.
  - s0rce 5y ago
    I guess I don't see why your family doctor won't be open to referring you to another specialist. My experience was probably not normal in Canada since my parents are doctors.
  - hedora 5y ago
    How do you find the "best" surgeon in the US? There is massive information asymmetry, and little repeat business, so it is a perfect market for lemons.
sonicggg 5y ago
Canada is indeed very frustrating. It's great for simple things like a broken arm. But the reality is that it's years behind in treatment of complex illnesses. There are a lot of people in Canada that travel to US to see specialists, when they can afford. US is also able to attract the best professionals, including MDs. Here in Canada we're left with the "leftovers". Those that did not make it big in life.

This is the reason why the US system is better than Canada. In Canada you can't shop around and need referrals for specialists.

by ipaddr 5y ago

This is the reason why the US system is better than Canada. In Canada you can't shop around and need referrals for specialists.

fpgaminer 5y ago

IIUC the vast majority of Americans don't have that privilege either and need referrals. You have to be on more expensive health plans to be able to pick your specialist. (That's been my past experience with HMOs). I finally got on a PPO recently and it was a bizarre but pleasant experience to just ... refer myself to a specialist :)

paxys 5y ago

You can find the best medical care in the world in the US if you have the means to pay for it. I don't think people will agree though that it is the indicator for the best healthcare system.

ionicgiraffe 5y ago
I would even say that any person of any country with enough financial resources could afford and get the best treatment in whatever country of the world would happen to be offered.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  That involves flying to the US in many cases
  - hedora 5y ago
    And flying out of the US in most cases.
    - ionicgiraffe 5y ago
      Indeed, I have just realized that the main problem of the US healthcare system is that their inhabitants cannot even imagine that anything better even exists. Healthcare is much more than being operated or receiving some treatment for a rare condition, both things that are very much researched and done outside the US both privately and with public money. Healthcare is also about allowing people with health problems to live with dignity and allow then to function in society. To care for the weak and not only to restore productivity of a broken cog. Healthcare is about a strong first line of care that prevent conditions to get worse and irreparable. Many countries with a thousand or less of US's GDP can teach a lesson or two on that. In any case, most countries are slowly copying many aspects of US healthcare, I guess it must be indeed be better, or perhaps more profitable.

sterlind 5y ago

I think you can shop around in Canada, if you have private insurance. the universal healthcare system is just a baseline, to keep people from dying on the street after medical bankruptcy. many jobs offer supplementary health insurance as a benefit. the US just uses ERs as an infinitely shittier but equally costly version.

ipaddr 5y ago
You can't book an appointment directly with a specialist. You can't even shop around for a family doctor. You have to sell them accepting you as a patient. With that power inbalance you better follow what they suggest and avoid questioning too much or you won't have a doctor.
- hedora 5y ago
  I've had the same experience with non-HMO coverage in the US. With HMO's, you're guaranteed someone will be assigned to you. With traditional insurance, there's a big labor shortage, and there are often <= 1 doctors accepting patients in some towns.
nradov 5y ago
Wealthy Canadians tend to just come to the US in order to skip the waiting lines.

s0rce 5y ago

Why can't you shop around? You aren't forced to go to a specific doctor. It certainly might be challenging but that's also the case in the USA.

ipaddr 5y ago
You have a family doctor who you are signed up with. You can't signup with another without losing your family doctor. You can't just go see any doctor. They have to decide to take you. Then if you are lucky you get a referral for a year later. You do have places you can walk in but there ability to refer is much lower. In the USA you literally shop around. They advertise. You can literally look for the best surgeon and ask around.
- s0rce 5y ago
  I guess I don't see why your family doctor won't be open to referring you to another specialist. My experience was probably not normal in Canada since my parents are doctors.
- hedora 5y ago
  How do you find the "best" surgeon in the US? There is massive information asymmetry, and little repeat business, so it is a perfect market for lemons.

sonicggg 5y ago

Canada is indeed very frustrating. It's great for simple things like a broken arm. But the reality is that it's years behind in treatment of complex illnesses. There are a lot of people in Canada that travel to US to see specialists, when they can afford. US is also able to attract the best professionals, including MDs. Here in Canada we're left with the "leftovers". Those that did not make it big in life.