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Fellow anarchist here who was the Hassled by the feds after 9/11. So you’ve taken up the I’ve pulled myself up with my own bootstraps defense. I don’t demean t

Fellow anarchist here who was the Hassled by the feds after 9/11. So you’ve taken up the I’ve pulled myself up with my own bootstraps defense. I don’t demean that at all, but you did not grow up the same way as a 20 year old in your yard did. To be a progressive, and I’m not talking about these progressives that you think you have in the Portland government, is to understand that we all don’t share the same life experiences. You were lucky growing up in the time You did and probably you were lucky growing up in a time in Portland actually embrace community. Tell me all these horror stories does not do anything to address the fundamental problems that are causing the horror stories in the first place. Can you talk about this peaceful rebellion that took place in the past. What? What rebellion? Those people turned into the boomers that bought up all the property in Portland as investment vehicles. These people aren’t revolting in any positive or not coordinated way. Their revolt is more primal and therefore A true rebellion. It is an unconscious rebellion and that scares people into conservatives.

noduerme 5y ago
You know I just had an argument with three union reps at a bar tonight - basically around the idea that "you were lucky..." but the outcome as phrased by one of them was "individual thoughts don't matter, I have no interest in that. Everything is systemic". I've staked my entire life on being an individual who won't support a team, a religion, or a social movement (beyond individual points I agree with). I happen to believe that if everyone acted this way, we'd have a lot fewer problems as a society. I refuse to take the side of a movement that claims some holistic righteousnes, just like I refuse to accept religion and race. So on a case-by-case basis, I decide what seems fair. I should note that before that dog-beating kid drove his van into six cars, I went out there with a gun and a six pack of beer which I distributed to his 17 year old homeless friends, who I sat around with while they told me he was a crazy shithead. I think that was what really drove him mental. Individuals. That's how the world functions. Everything else is theory. So my rebellion didn't work? It did. I was gassed in the street in 2004 protesting the Iraq war. Everyone hates neocons now and hates that war, don't they? Did I do nothing? An argument is ridiculous if it asks every person to pawn everything they ever did to the next struggle in the future. Portland is a shit show in the real estate market, but where isn't? It's by leaps and bounds the most progressive city in America. The boomers' homeless and ultimately functional children grew up richer than I did. They need to come halfway and see that acting savage and refusing completely to partake in society is not an ultimately winning strategy. They're not going to win some revolutionary war where they suddenly abolish all private property - and if that's their goal, they've really got to become more coherent and stop doing so much heroin, because I can't even understand what they're saying. [edit] my contention is that the 20-yo shitting in my yard's problem is that he is spoiled and rich, by every standard I've seen everywhere I've traveled in the world. And that's why I can't relate to the conditions that led to him, or sympathize with his plight.
- SpodGaju 5y ago
  - noduerme 5y ago
    No, I was not a savage. And you're not a savage. You're right, the world will act the way they're treated. I try to act kindly when possible. What's wrong with beering the homeless kids? But I don't think much of them. This ain't about me being "good". It's about my right to exist and work and live whether some 18 year old is having a bad family life or not. It's about handling their problems, as I have had to handle my own. Funny. Sympathy only flows in one direction - towards the generation who were born of the richest fattest bulge of neocon shitheads in imperial american history. Who shit on my porch in the name of equity and social justice, literally, waving ipads. You lost me at Ukraine. I don't see how that relates to this. But FWIW, you think it's gross that I explained both sides of my attempt to understand and my underlying dislike of the people outside my door? Cool, I'm not trying to be your friend. I'm explaining how I've chosen to deal with a world of spoiled shit spawn of boomers. Bit of carrot and stick. [edit] also? >>they hate it because it is history now. They still love war ...is incredibly ignorant. We hated it because it was WRONG, the way Russians who protest now know that their war is wrong. This is recent and important history. The war just ended. It was the longest war in US history. It's a very good thing that people hated it. Because above all it happened for completely artificial reasons. Yes, this means you might have to admit that some wars are more artificial than others, but that one, for those of us who watched in horror when it started, was completely unjustified. So go ahead and shit on the people who were out in the streets protesting. You clearly know better.
    - SpodGaju 5y ago
      > Bit of carrot and stick. The subtle psychology exposed in this sentence. You say you are an anarchist but here you are wanting to control others. You think you are smarter than these suffering people and will treat them like dogs with a treat to get them to do what you want. > It's about handling their problems, as I have had to handle my own. Again, you remain the individual. You think if everyone "lived like you" they would be fine. Not everyone can handle their own problems and some peoples problems are bigger and more complicated than yours were. > So go ahead and shit on the people who were out in the streets protesting I protested the Iraq war as well, so no idea what you are going on about here. I know it was useless because no one is protesting the U.S. involvement in the war in Ukraine. Everything happening now, including all the propaganda, is the same as it was before the Iraq war. If you want to know why Portland is failing, look in the mirror.

noduerme 5y ago

You know I just had an argument with three union reps at a bar tonight - basically around the idea that "you were lucky..." but the outcome as phrased by one of them was "individual thoughts don't matter, I have no interest in that. Everything is systemic". I've staked my entire life on being an individual who won't support a team, a religion, or a social movement (beyond individual points I agree with). I happen to believe that if everyone acted this way, we'd have a lot fewer problems as a society. I refuse to take the side of a movement that claims some holistic righteousnes, just like I refuse to accept religion and race. So on a case-by-case basis, I decide what seems fair. I should note that before that dog-beating kid drove his van into six cars, I went out there with a gun and a six pack of beer which I distributed to his 17 year old homeless friends, who I sat around with while they told me he was a crazy shithead. I think that was what really drove him mental. Individuals. That's how the world functions. Everything else is theory. So my rebellion didn't work? It did. I was gassed in the street in 2004 protesting the Iraq war. Everyone hates neocons now and hates that war, don't they? Did I do nothing? An argument is ridiculous if it asks every person to pawn everything they ever did to the next struggle in the future. Portland is a shit show in the real estate market, but where isn't? It's by leaps and bounds the most progressive city in America. The boomers' homeless and ultimately functional children grew up richer than I did. They need to come halfway and see that acting savage and refusing completely to partake in society is not an ultimately winning strategy. They're not going to win some revolutionary war where they suddenly abolish all private property - and if that's their goal, they've really got to become more coherent and stop doing so much heroin, because I can't even understand what they're saying. [edit] my contention is that the 20-yo shitting in my yard's problem is that he is spoiled and rich, by every standard I've seen everywhere I've traveled in the world. And that's why I can't relate to the conditions that led to him, or sympathize with his plight.

SpodGaju 5y ago
- noduerme 5y ago
  No, I was not a savage. And you're not a savage. You're right, the world will act the way they're treated. I try to act kindly when possible. What's wrong with beering the homeless kids? But I don't think much of them. This ain't about me being "good". It's about my right to exist and work and live whether some 18 year old is having a bad family life or not. It's about handling their problems, as I have had to handle my own. Funny. Sympathy only flows in one direction - towards the generation who were born of the richest fattest bulge of neocon shitheads in imperial american history. Who shit on my porch in the name of equity and social justice, literally, waving ipads. You lost me at Ukraine. I don't see how that relates to this. But FWIW, you think it's gross that I explained both sides of my attempt to understand and my underlying dislike of the people outside my door? Cool, I'm not trying to be your friend. I'm explaining how I've chosen to deal with a world of spoiled shit spawn of boomers. Bit of carrot and stick. [edit] also? >>they hate it because it is history now. They still love war ...is incredibly ignorant. We hated it because it was WRONG, the way Russians who protest now know that their war is wrong. This is recent and important history. The war just ended. It was the longest war in US history. It's a very good thing that people hated it. Because above all it happened for completely artificial reasons. Yes, this means you might have to admit that some wars are more artificial than others, but that one, for those of us who watched in horror when it started, was completely unjustified. So go ahead and shit on the people who were out in the streets protesting. You clearly know better.
  - SpodGaju 5y ago
    > Bit of carrot and stick. The subtle psychology exposed in this sentence. You say you are an anarchist but here you are wanting to control others. You think you are smarter than these suffering people and will treat them like dogs with a treat to get them to do what you want. > It's about handling their problems, as I have had to handle my own. Again, you remain the individual. You think if everyone "lived like you" they would be fine. Not everyone can handle their own problems and some peoples problems are bigger and more complicated than yours were. > So go ahead and shit on the people who were out in the streets protesting I protested the Iraq war as well, so no idea what you are going on about here. I know it was useless because no one is protesting the U.S. involvement in the war in Ukraine. Everything happening now, including all the propaganda, is the same as it was before the Iraq war. If you want to know why Portland is failing, look in the mirror.