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I've got pretty healthy relationships IRL - I find it very difficult to lie to anyone I know, work with or have real life dealings with. It's not compulsive, it

I've got pretty healthy relationships IRL - I find it very difficult to lie to anyone I know, work with or have real life dealings with. It's not compulsive, it's a choice. This is just limited to the internet about unimportant topics. I don't think anything I've done has any real impact on people. I'd say it's more of a fucking weird hobby (some obscure role-playing?) than anything else. Appreciate the links though! You're good people.

yesenadam 5y ago
> I regularly lie I take that to include, lying regularly on HN. You act like it's no big deal. How many people regularly lie on here, do you think? Sure, you are asking about it now, I guess that's good. I would guess, vanishingly few, besides maybe the lunatic/troll fringe who get banned. I can't imagine lying on here or any other internet forum, or a real life forum, and it's disturbing to see the way you convince yourself it isn't wrong, and has no bad effects. "I don't think anything I've done has any real impact on people." - how would you know if it did? You assume it's fine. I don't think so. I don't know what to say besides, that sounds very wrong. I've seen documentaries about internet trolls where they evidently say to themselves "It's not illegal, so I've done nothing wrong". As if ethics, right and wrong, does not exist. I get a similar feeling from reading your comments. Also I try not to say untrue things. Not to claim knowledge of something I'm not certain of. The truth is all we have. It's very valuable. [after actually looking at a couple of your links] Ok, that's much worse that I thought. Read this and see if you recognize yourself in it as much as I did (a lot), from the little I know about you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy p.s. ..Do you (like in the 10 years you've been on here) assume most people on HN are being honest, or do you consider they may be trolling and not believe a word people say? The world kind of relies on most people not being like you, doesn't it?
- evocatus 5y ago
  Those who readily believe what they are told are easily taken advantage of. While we are on the topic of epistemic integrity, do you not consider it harmful to make a judgment of psychopathy "from the little I know about you," based on a few UTF-8 characters sent over the web? Had you any actual knowledge of what it is you speak of, you would have known that: The potential for harm is considerable if the PCL-R is used incorrectly, or if the user is not familiar with the clinical and empirical literature pertaining to psychopathy from the author of the PCL-R [1], "gold standard" for assessing psychopathy (by your own citation [2]). Why is it that the most morally outraged are the ones most incapable of following their own principles? Doesn't HN rely on people not spreading unreliable misinformation, unlike yourself? [1] http://www.hare.org/scales/pclr.html http://www.hare.org/scales/pclr.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Diagnosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Diagnosis
  - yesenadam 5y ago
    Your comment, seems to me, is almost entirely composed of vague and ominous phrases, errors, insults, false assumptions that I don't consider worth responding to in any detail. Your intent was seemingly mostly to insult and enrage. If you want useful exchanges on HN in future, with me at least, I suggest not writing like that. p.s. I notice that your page on HN says only "All comments are a work of fiction.", and one of your most recent comments starts "My favorite tactic is to intentionally write down overly constrained or even "obviously" wrong tickets or issues or what have you, to provoke a disagreement".
    - evocatus 5y ago
      - krageon 5y ago
        It is not an ad hominem to take what you say and assume you know what you're talking about when you talk about yourself :) If you want people to take you seriously, you have to stop acting like an asshole.
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- Mandatum 5y ago
  I assume most people are honest. I’m honest a lot of the time. Sometimes I’m not.
  - Markoff 5y ago
    You know you can be not honest without lying, right? Lying is for lowest scum.
oreally 5y ago
It seems you have a innate perchant for convincing someone to trust you to the point you're willing to say untruths, and knowing you will get away from any form of backlash. I've also met people similar to this behaviour irl, but they're mostly in army low-commanding positions, often issuing threats and FUD narratives to unwilling conscript soldiers. and they're usually very predatory in a sense.
oliwarner 5y ago
The problem in a thread where you admit to being a liar is everybody reads around what you say. You say you only lie online about unimportant stuff, I assume you actually cheat on your taxes, con old grannies out of their pension, and in your spare time, go by the name of Q.

yesenadam 5y ago

> I regularly lie I take that to include, lying regularly on HN. You act like it's no big deal. How many people regularly lie on here, do you think? Sure, you are asking about it now, I guess that's good. I would guess, vanishingly few, besides maybe the lunatic/troll fringe who get banned. I can't imagine lying on here or any other internet forum, or a real life forum, and it's disturbing to see the way you convince yourself it isn't wrong, and has no bad effects. "I don't think anything I've done has any real impact on people." - how would you know if it did? You assume it's fine. I don't think so. I don't know what to say besides, that sounds very wrong. I've seen documentaries about internet trolls where they evidently say to themselves "It's not illegal, so I've done nothing wrong". As if ethics, right and wrong, does not exist. I get a similar feeling from reading your comments. Also I try not to say untrue things. Not to claim knowledge of something I'm not certain of. The truth is all we have. It's very valuable. [after actually looking at a couple of your links] Ok, that's much worse that I thought. Read this and see if you recognize yourself in it as much as I did (a lot), from the little I know about you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy p.s. ..Do you (like in the 10 years you've been on here) assume most people on HN are being honest, or do you consider they may be trolling and not believe a word people say? The world kind of relies on most people not being like you, doesn't it?

evocatus 5y ago
Those who readily believe what they are told are easily taken advantage of. While we are on the topic of epistemic integrity, do you not consider it harmful to make a judgment of psychopathy "from the little I know about you," based on a few UTF-8 characters sent over the web? Had you any actual knowledge of what it is you speak of, you would have known that: The potential for harm is considerable if the PCL-R is used incorrectly, or if the user is not familiar with the clinical and empirical literature pertaining to psychopathy from the author of the PCL-R [1], "gold standard" for assessing psychopathy (by your own citation [2]). Why is it that the most morally outraged are the ones most incapable of following their own principles? Doesn't HN rely on people not spreading unreliable misinformation, unlike yourself? [1] http://www.hare.org/scales/pclr.html http://www.hare.org/scales/pclr.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Diagnosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Diagnosis
- yesenadam 5y ago
  Your comment, seems to me, is almost entirely composed of vague and ominous phrases, errors, insults, false assumptions that I don't consider worth responding to in any detail. Your intent was seemingly mostly to insult and enrage. If you want useful exchanges on HN in future, with me at least, I suggest not writing like that. p.s. I notice that your page on HN says only "All comments are a work of fiction.", and one of your most recent comments starts "My favorite tactic is to intentionally write down overly constrained or even "obviously" wrong tickets or issues or what have you, to provoke a disagreement".
  - evocatus 5y ago
    - krageon 5y ago
      It is not an ad hominem to take what you say and assume you know what you're talking about when you talk about yourself :) If you want people to take you seriously, you have to stop acting like an asshole.
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Mandatum 5y ago
I assume most people are honest. I’m honest a lot of the time. Sometimes I’m not.
- Markoff 5y ago
  You know you can be not honest without lying, right? Lying is for lowest scum.

oreally 5y ago

It seems you have a innate perchant for convincing someone to trust you to the point you're willing to say untruths, and knowing you will get away from any form of backlash. I've also met people similar to this behaviour irl, but they're mostly in army low-commanding positions, often issuing threats and FUD narratives to unwilling conscript soldiers. and they're usually very predatory in a sense.

oliwarner 5y ago

The problem in a thread where you admit to being a liar is everybody reads around what you say. You say you only lie online about unimportant stuff, I assume you actually cheat on your taxes, con old grannies out of their pension, and in your spare time, go by the name of Q.