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Basic etiquette would be to not force co-workers to use Slack at all. And for that matter, any other proprietary network based on closed standards that do not

Basic etiquette would be to not force co-workers to use Slack at all. And for that matter, any other proprietary network based on closed standards that do not admit connections from third-party clients. I'm forced to use Slack and Zoom from time to time for important work stuff, and it is extremely annoying and humiliating.

gkoberger 5y ago
This... is an insane take. It's "humiliating" for you to use the communication platform your company has chosen?
- richm31415 5y ago
  It can be, yes. For someone who is a strong believer in and advocate of FOSS, who makes her/his livelihood developing FOSS for a FOSS software company, to be forced to use proprietary solutions where there are reasonable FOSS alternatives can be very disheartening, demoralizing, and even humiliating.
  - Melatonic 5y ago
    I am not sure still why it is humiliating specifically - disheartening sure, demoralizing makes sense. But why would it be humiliating if you are not the person pushing that the paid / non FLOSS app be used in the first place? Isn't this also a good chance to evangelize an alternative to whomever you are speaking with?
    - ask_b123 5y ago
      I also thought of that as being a chance to 'evangelize' FLOSS alternatives. The first thing I actually thought of was this set of verses talking about evangelizing in a somewhat similar context: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9%3A20-23 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9...
- enriquto 5y ago
  I'm an activist for software freedom and I refuse to use non-free software in my life, as a matter of principle. When I'm forced to do so it's certainly very humiliating for me. Besides, I don't work for a company, but in the public sector (which by the way I think it should not impose non-free software nor secret protocols into the citizens).
  - kuu 5y ago
    > as a matter of principle > by the way I think "Maybe" it's you the one putting that burden on yourself. I got that you prefer to use open/free sw, but to feel humiliated by it... As the other commenter mentions, it's over the top...
micromacrofoot 5y ago
Curious, in what way is it humiliation?
- nishs 5y ago
  not op, but if i felt humiliated in a similar situation, it would be humiliation that i'm not in a position powerful enough where i could bring about the change i want to see.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    I suppose, but you’re joining the club of the vast majority of humanity in that case

gkoberger 5y ago

This... is an insane take. It's "humiliating" for you to use the communication platform your company has chosen?

richm31415 5y ago
It can be, yes. For someone who is a strong believer in and advocate of FOSS, who makes her/his livelihood developing FOSS for a FOSS software company, to be forced to use proprietary solutions where there are reasonable FOSS alternatives can be very disheartening, demoralizing, and even humiliating.
- Melatonic 5y ago
  I am not sure still why it is humiliating specifically - disheartening sure, demoralizing makes sense. But why would it be humiliating if you are not the person pushing that the paid / non FLOSS app be used in the first place? Isn't this also a good chance to evangelize an alternative to whomever you are speaking with?
  - ask_b123 5y ago
    I also thought of that as being a chance to 'evangelize' FLOSS alternatives. The first thing I actually thought of was this set of verses talking about evangelizing in a somewhat similar context: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9%3A20-23 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9...
enriquto 5y ago
I'm an activist for software freedom and I refuse to use non-free software in my life, as a matter of principle. When I'm forced to do so it's certainly very humiliating for me. Besides, I don't work for a company, but in the public sector (which by the way I think it should not impose non-free software nor secret protocols into the citizens).
- kuu 5y ago
  > as a matter of principle > by the way I think "Maybe" it's you the one putting that burden on yourself. I got that you prefer to use open/free sw, but to feel humiliated by it... As the other commenter mentions, it's over the top...

micromacrofoot 5y ago

Curious, in what way is it humiliation?

nishs 5y ago
not op, but if i felt humiliated in a similar situation, it would be humiliation that i'm not in a position powerful enough where i could bring about the change i want to see.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  I suppose, but you’re joining the club of the vast majority of humanity in that case