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> huge slap in the face to social mobility out of the middle class No, it was an intentional move to restrict the number of Asians admitted because despite the

> huge slap in the face to social mobility out of the middle class No, it was an intentional move to restrict the number of Asians admitted because despite their best efforts to hide it, prestigious universities' data showed systemic discrimination against Asians in the admissions process (see: SFFA vs Harvard). Removing the SAT removes some of the data that opponents can use to sue them. One of the reasons the UC removed the SAT was to "diversify" their admit pool because Asians disproportionately did really well on the SAT and they aren't allowed to discriminate based on race by state law. My hope is that the Supreme Court, now that it's a 6/3 conservative majority, finally strikes down race based "affirmative action".

thenanyu 5y ago
If Judge Jackson gets confirmed, it will be 6-2 since she has promised to recuse herself from this case.
opportune 5y ago
Sure, I think that’s in many ways covered by what I mean about middle class mobility. Given that Asians are less likely to be legacies and dont benefit from Affirmative Action, pretty much all their “slots” come out of the high-achieving-middle-class bucket
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Bahamut 5y ago
As an American born Asian myself, the "unofficial" quota system process colleges use is painful to me - I was an extremely academic high performing student before college, netting national level recognition in some areas with a lot of extracurriculars & came from a very poor background, yet my ethnicity worked against me. At the same time, I recognize that this is also some of the challenge that underrepresented minorities face in general in American society where there are others who have more closed doors than I (I went to a high school with over 70% minorities, mostly African-Americans + hispanics). I don't pretend to know what the solution to the problem is, but given that high prestige colleges have created a high risk high reward situation with how they handle admissions, I feel like a lot of the problem is how academia has created this artificial situation - maybe this is by design, I don't know, but if we truly value diversity & equity in higher educational opportunities, there needs to be a significant change.
kenjackson 5y ago
> No, it was an intentional move to restrict the number of Asians admitted This always seemed short-sighted to me. I think standardized tests provide one of the clearest opportunities for less advantaged students to make inroads. And while certain groups do better now, I don't think there is a better way than this clear metric for other groups to improve their standing. Also, I think we simply overvalue going to Harvard. So instead you go to UVa or Puget Sound University. You "can" learn a great deal at these other places as well -- and maybe learn more given your existing level of achievement. If we think long game on this, we will see that this is one of the best things to lift all boats.
charlieyu1 5y ago
And this benefit the rich kids who can spend thousands of dollars per year to hire someone to plan a good resume for them
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  If wealth didn't incur some advantages, no one would bother to seek it. I don't know how to fix that fundamental aspect of reality, or indeed if it should be fixed. Any ideas?
  - charlieyu1 5y ago
    Different kinds of advantage. Yes wealth can bring you all sorts of luxury. But it is a bad idea to close the doors to the poor, especially essentials like education.
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BurdensomeCount 5y ago
> My hope is that the Supreme Court, now that it's a 6/3 conservative majority, finally strikes down race based "affirmative action". Agreed, and also favouritism for "legacies", children of faculty and athletics (they can get in on their own merit if they have it). This is a rot that seems to be unique to the US. In the pretty much every other country there would be an outrage if someone got admitted because their parents donated a lot of money.
- naniwaduni 5y ago
  There are plenty of institutions where "someone got admitted because their parents donated a lot of money" is a fact of life, as natural as rivers flowing south or getting sick from standing in the cold. It's not something you normally brag about in/to the West, and certainly it's very reasonable to object to the practice, but it's not remotely unique to the US. If anything, it's telling that this version is presented disguised, even if it's a well-known disguise at this point.

thenanyu 5y ago

If Judge Jackson gets confirmed, it will be 6-2 since she has promised to recuse herself from this case.

opportune 5y ago

Sure, I think that’s in many ways covered by what I mean about middle class mobility. Given that Asians are less likely to be legacies and dont benefit from Affirmative Action, pretty much all their “slots” come out of the high-achieving-middle-class bucket

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Bahamut 5y ago

As an American born Asian myself, the "unofficial" quota system process colleges use is painful to me - I was an extremely academic high performing student before college, netting national level recognition in some areas with a lot of extracurriculars & came from a very poor background, yet my ethnicity worked against me. At the same time, I recognize that this is also some of the challenge that underrepresented minorities face in general in American society where there are others who have more closed doors than I (I went to a high school with over 70% minorities, mostly African-Americans + hispanics). I don't pretend to know what the solution to the problem is, but given that high prestige colleges have created a high risk high reward situation with how they handle admissions, I feel like a lot of the problem is how academia has created this artificial situation - maybe this is by design, I don't know, but if we truly value diversity & equity in higher educational opportunities, there needs to be a significant change.

kenjackson 5y ago

> No, it was an intentional move to restrict the number of Asians admitted This always seemed short-sighted to me. I think standardized tests provide one of the clearest opportunities for less advantaged students to make inroads. And while certain groups do better now, I don't think there is a better way than this clear metric for other groups to improve their standing. Also, I think we simply overvalue going to Harvard. So instead you go to UVa or Puget Sound University. You "can" learn a great deal at these other places as well -- and maybe learn more given your existing level of achievement. If we think long game on this, we will see that this is one of the best things to lift all boats.

charlieyu1 5y ago

And this benefit the rich kids who can spend thousands of dollars per year to hire someone to plan a good resume for them

CamperBob2 5y ago
If wealth didn't incur some advantages, no one would bother to seek it. I don't know how to fix that fundamental aspect of reality, or indeed if it should be fixed. Any ideas?
- charlieyu1 5y ago
  Different kinds of advantage. Yes wealth can bring you all sorts of luxury. But it is a bad idea to close the doors to the poor, especially essentials like education.
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BurdensomeCount 5y ago

> My hope is that the Supreme Court, now that it's a 6/3 conservative majority, finally strikes down race based "affirmative action". Agreed, and also favouritism for "legacies", children of faculty and athletics (they can get in on their own merit if they have it). This is a rot that seems to be unique to the US. In the pretty much every other country there would be an outrage if someone got admitted because their parents donated a lot of money.

naniwaduni 5y ago
There are plenty of institutions where "someone got admitted because their parents donated a lot of money" is a fact of life, as natural as rivers flowing south or getting sick from standing in the cold. It's not something you normally brag about in/to the West, and certainly it's very reasonable to object to the practice, but it's not remotely unique to the US. If anything, it's telling that this version is presented disguised, even if it's a well-known disguise at this point.