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You're wrong. These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more

by 0des 5y ago

You're wrong. These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more valued because even in failure you can not criticize those who are less able. Those appearing less able while still managing to overcome, even when due to random chance, results in more peer accolades and ironic fanfare in the face of adversity or some other disadvantage. The privilege industrial complex continues. Am I kidding? Please tell me I'm kidding.

adamsmith143 5y ago
> These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more valued because even in failure you can not criticize those who are less able. Actually I think you are totally off base here. I know in my cohort of age 30+ millennials there is a strong sense of doom. Many people have the attitude of "why should I have kids when they'll be born into a hellscape" or "why bother trying to save for retirement when the world will probably collapse before I reach 70." These are very real and very pervasive thought patterns I have seen in younger people in particular. It has nothing to do with frailty and your take smacks of boomerisms.
- 0des 5y ago
  > boomerisms I think we are done here, have a great day
- glitchc 5y ago
  My 10 year old feels this way. His depiction of the future is far more pessimistic than mine was at his age, and the conditions under which I grew up were objectively worse compared to his present circumstances (he has his own room, multiple electronic devices, gaming consoles, etc. etc., typical middle-class). There seems to be a persistent message saying “buckle your belts, things are going to get worse” across all social groups, from school to friends to popular media. There seems to be concerted effort to prepare these kids to expect less than previous generations. Parents can only do so much to block these influences.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    Even getting past climate change gloom, present economic situations don’t inspire much confidence. College admissions seem much more stringent than they were a decade or two ago, never mind the rising tuitions, the debt obligations, and so on. Housing prices continue to climb. A lot has happened since the Great Recession.
    - 0des 5y ago
      You realize this has been going on for at least a century, right? At one point we literally confiscated all of the gold by order of government. Whether the overton window is shifting or not, this stuff has been going on since time immemorial.
      - imtringued 5y ago
        Except in ancient egypt and for a short period when Bracteates were used as currency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracteate#Early_medieval_bracteates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracteate#Early_medieval_bract...
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        I’m talking about specifically concerns that the youth would have. And the Overton Window does not refer to things getting worse, nor does it mean things were inevitably getting worse for an American audience until living memory. Certainly ‘90s kids can point at a solid decade of optimism, until it all abruptly ended. To children growing up today, this must all feel like a step back compared to those earlier eras. The reference to the end of the gold standard is a complete non sequitur.
        fuzzfactor 5y ago
        Globally shocking threats of all kinds which you are powerless to adequately cope with are well, globally shocking. And some generations are more affected and/or more sensitive, or even more numerous with the shock spread out further. The threat of further shock can have quite a dampening effect. For a great many boomers when they were young men struggling to stay in college before student loans became widespread, otherwise facing being drafted for Vietnam service, it was not as comfortable as people sometimes imagine. Nuclear proliferation was ongoing their whole lives with threats only increasing from a baseline higher than what most living people have had to endure now. It wasn't only the young men who couldn't be so sure anything would be here when 1970 came around. Or if they would reach that milestone themselves regardless. You could just feel that things were going to get worse before they got better. Good catch about the gold standard ending in 1971, of course it wouldn't have been possible if gold hadn't been confiscated in 1933, basically two generations earlier. How did they get away with saying the confiscation was a "continuation" of the gold standard (after the "necessary devaluation of the dollar" was accomplished) anyway? These were both global financial shocks to two different and separate generations each of whose members had various vulnerabilities. A lot of the gloom preceding, then manifesting with, events like this, or worse world wars, has got a lot of similarity to the way some people feel worsening insecurity for the future right now.
- adwn 5y ago
  > boomerisms Kind of ironic, given that "boomers" lived under the 4 decades long threat of total nuclear war. Frankly, as an instance of those "age 30+ millenials", that would instill a far stronger sense of doom in me than the rather gradual, rather benign (compared to WW3 between the US and the USSR) effects of climate change.
  - imtringued 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure I would be more terrified if there was a planned schedule of sending 1 nuke per year and then 2 nukes per year and then 3 nukes per year and so on than if you sent them all at once even though the first scenario is unlikely to kill me any time soon. It's far more benign yet it is scarier.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    Climate change is not comparatively benign. Unpredictable localized calamities can quickly spiral into unpredictable geopolitical conflagrations. There’s no red phone to deescalate the drought that motivated the Syrian Civil War.
  - avgcorrection 5y ago
    Nuclear armaggedon is avoidable with some luck and enough safeguards. Catastrophic climate change is inevitable at our current trajectory.
    - adwn 5y ago
      Climate change can be mitigated by technological solutions. Sure, you also need political action, but it's a marathon, not a sprint: a chain of bad decisions will make matters worse, but you'll still have a chance to recover. During the cold war, a chain of bad decisions could have led to immediate, full-scale disaster. That you had to depend on "some luck" to prevent the collapse of civilization as we know is terrifying.
      - imtringued 5y ago
        The thing about climate change is that it is 100% avoidable yet nothing is being done. Everyone just says "we can fix it afterwards with twice the effort".

by 0des 5y ago

adamsmith143 5y ago

> These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more valued because even in failure you can not criticize those who are less able. Actually I think you are totally off base here. I know in my cohort of age 30+ millennials there is a strong sense of doom. Many people have the attitude of "why should I have kids when they'll be born into a hellscape" or "why bother trying to save for retirement when the world will probably collapse before I reach 70." These are very real and very pervasive thought patterns I have seen in younger people in particular. It has nothing to do with frailty and your take smacks of boomerisms.

0des 5y ago
> boomerisms I think we are done here, have a great day
glitchc 5y ago
My 10 year old feels this way. His depiction of the future is far more pessimistic than mine was at his age, and the conditions under which I grew up were objectively worse compared to his present circumstances (he has his own room, multiple electronic devices, gaming consoles, etc. etc., typical middle-class). There seems to be a persistent message saying “buckle your belts, things are going to get worse” across all social groups, from school to friends to popular media. There seems to be concerted effort to prepare these kids to expect less than previous generations. Parents can only do so much to block these influences.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Even getting past climate change gloom, present economic situations don’t inspire much confidence. College admissions seem much more stringent than they were a decade or two ago, never mind the rising tuitions, the debt obligations, and so on. Housing prices continue to climb. A lot has happened since the Great Recession.
  - 0des 5y ago
    You realize this has been going on for at least a century, right? At one point we literally confiscated all of the gold by order of government. Whether the overton window is shifting or not, this stuff has been going on since time immemorial.
    - imtringued 5y ago
      Except in ancient egypt and for a short period when Bracteates were used as currency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracteate#Early_medieval_bracteates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracteate#Early_medieval_bract...
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      I’m talking about specifically concerns that the youth would have. And the Overton Window does not refer to things getting worse, nor does it mean things were inevitably getting worse for an American audience until living memory. Certainly ‘90s kids can point at a solid decade of optimism, until it all abruptly ended. To children growing up today, this must all feel like a step back compared to those earlier eras. The reference to the end of the gold standard is a complete non sequitur.
      - fuzzfactor 5y ago
        Globally shocking threats of all kinds which you are powerless to adequately cope with are well, globally shocking. And some generations are more affected and/or more sensitive, or even more numerous with the shock spread out further. The threat of further shock can have quite a dampening effect. For a great many boomers when they were young men struggling to stay in college before student loans became widespread, otherwise facing being drafted for Vietnam service, it was not as comfortable as people sometimes imagine. Nuclear proliferation was ongoing their whole lives with threats only increasing from a baseline higher than what most living people have had to endure now. It wasn't only the young men who couldn't be so sure anything would be here when 1970 came around. Or if they would reach that milestone themselves regardless. You could just feel that things were going to get worse before they got better. Good catch about the gold standard ending in 1971, of course it wouldn't have been possible if gold hadn't been confiscated in 1933, basically two generations earlier. How did they get away with saying the confiscation was a "continuation" of the gold standard (after the "necessary devaluation of the dollar" was accomplished) anyway? These were both global financial shocks to two different and separate generations each of whose members had various vulnerabilities. A lot of the gloom preceding, then manifesting with, events like this, or worse world wars, has got a lot of similarity to the way some people feel worsening insecurity for the future right now.
adwn 5y ago
> boomerisms Kind of ironic, given that "boomers" lived under the 4 decades long threat of total nuclear war. Frankly, as an instance of those "age 30+ millenials", that would instill a far stronger sense of doom in me than the rather gradual, rather benign (compared to WW3 between the US and the USSR) effects of climate change.
- imtringued 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure I would be more terrified if there was a planned schedule of sending 1 nuke per year and then 2 nukes per year and then 3 nukes per year and so on than if you sent them all at once even though the first scenario is unlikely to kill me any time soon. It's far more benign yet it is scarier.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Climate change is not comparatively benign. Unpredictable localized calamities can quickly spiral into unpredictable geopolitical conflagrations. There’s no red phone to deescalate the drought that motivated the Syrian Civil War.
- avgcorrection 5y ago
  Nuclear armaggedon is avoidable with some luck and enough safeguards. Catastrophic climate change is inevitable at our current trajectory.
  - adwn 5y ago
    Climate change can be mitigated by technological solutions. Sure, you also need political action, but it's a marathon, not a sprint: a chain of bad decisions will make matters worse, but you'll still have a chance to recover. During the cold war, a chain of bad decisions could have led to immediate, full-scale disaster. That you had to depend on "some luck" to prevent the collapse of civilization as we know is terrifying.
    - imtringued 5y ago
      The thing about climate change is that it is 100% avoidable yet nothing is being done. Everyone just says "we can fix it afterwards with twice the effort".