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Late last year we had some major instability with our main microservices as they didn't properly scale and it wasn't pleasant. The backend codebase was Java. In

by jq-r 5y ago

Late last year we had some major instability with our main microservices as they didn't properly scale and it wasn't pleasant. The backend codebase was Java. In any case 2 months before that we got a dev with good Kotlin experience (he wrote a book on it) and he offered to rewrite those services in Kotlin as that instability was occurring. It took him about 5 days for each (sometimes less). And in a few weeks we had services which were rock solid. Amazing really how sometimes a person who knows his stuff can make a difference.

codethief 5y ago
How does Kotlin "scale" differently than Java? I mean I'm anything but a Java fan but both languages run on the JVM, so unless your colleague also changed the architecture of those services I don't see how a switch from Java to Kotlin would help at all.
- scns 5y ago
  Kotlin makes it easy to avoid the "billion dollar mistake" i.e. using null.
  - vips7L 5y ago
    That has nothing to do with scale. Quite honestly though, I don’t see null as that big of a deal. I haven’t struggled with it since I began programming 10 years ago.
    - scns 5y ago
      A big study by Microsoft (IIRC) said that ~70% of bugs came from NPEs.
      - vips7L 5y ago
        That is interesting. I'm not against compiler enforced null checking, but it's not the killer feature that would convince me to switch to Kotlin from Java.
        lolinder 5y ago
        Your mileage may vary, but for me it's crucial—I can't use a language in production that doesn't have null safety. I want the compiler to force me to consider edge cases, and in many languages the biggest edge case of all is "that value you thought was there isn't actually there".
- jurmous 5y ago
  My guess he implemented those using Kotlin Coroutines to build much more scalable and more thread safe implementations. Concepts it offers like Structured concurrency are really powerful.
  - jq-r 5y ago
    True, Coroutines were very heavily used. It was kind of magical how services which nobody wanted to touch with a 10 ft pole due to their complexity for almost years got rewritten in mere days or weeks at most. Those big microservices were broken down to even smaller microservices.
- fulafel 5y ago
  Sounds in this case attracted a better programmer.

by jq-r 5y ago

codethief 5y ago

How does Kotlin "scale" differently than Java? I mean I'm anything but a Java fan but both languages run on the JVM, so unless your colleague also changed the architecture of those services I don't see how a switch from Java to Kotlin would help at all.

scns 5y ago
Kotlin makes it easy to avoid the "billion dollar mistake" i.e. using null.
- vips7L 5y ago
  That has nothing to do with scale. Quite honestly though, I don’t see null as that big of a deal. I haven’t struggled with it since I began programming 10 years ago.
  - scns 5y ago
    A big study by Microsoft (IIRC) said that ~70% of bugs came from NPEs.
    - vips7L 5y ago
      That is interesting. I'm not against compiler enforced null checking, but it's not the killer feature that would convince me to switch to Kotlin from Java.
      - lolinder 5y ago
        Your mileage may vary, but for me it's crucial—I can't use a language in production that doesn't have null safety. I want the compiler to force me to consider edge cases, and in many languages the biggest edge case of all is "that value you thought was there isn't actually there".
jurmous 5y ago
My guess he implemented those using Kotlin Coroutines to build much more scalable and more thread safe implementations. Concepts it offers like Structured concurrency are really powerful.
- jq-r 5y ago
  True, Coroutines were very heavily used. It was kind of magical how services which nobody wanted to touch with a 10 ft pole due to their complexity for almost years got rewritten in mere days or weeks at most. Those big microservices were broken down to even smaller microservices.
fulafel 5y ago
Sounds in this case attracted a better programmer.