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I’m not as optimistic as you guys. What I think we will get is a fragmented mess, with the app store that allows the most stealing of data winning. WeChat is a

I’m not as optimistic as you guys. What I think we will get is a fragmented mess, with the app store that allows the most stealing of data winning. WeChat is a good example where on Android they require access to your whole contact list to even start but on iOS this is not the case because Apple don’t allow it. Competition is going to make this things worse not better. Once you have competition that uses dark patterns (ui), those guys earn more money and can drown out the marketing the “good guys” do. Look at New York Times unsubscription over the phone and others. I see some apps moving between app stores to chase the money, not the “best for the user”-award.

Apocryphon 5y ago
I don’t see the other giants being sufficiently motivated to, nor having the ability to execute, lasting competitive 3rd party app stores. Maybe if it was a decade ago. It not that they don’t have the resources or technical capabilities to it, but I don’t think they have the product ability to excel on the platform of a competitor, in this case Apple. And consumers are just sick of having to manage more accounts. They’re not going to have the patience to let iOS fragmemt like the streaming space has. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808926
mihaaly 5y ago
I believe it is more like having an option. Having more freedeom. And as with other aspects of life freedom comes with increased responsibility. Those want things to be curated for and told to them, and - hopefully - remain on the 'safe' side, with the added convenience that others - hopefuly - doing a good job in elminating risks, doing this hard task for them for their convenience, could still stick to Apple's services. But I assume even those will benefit if Apple has to compete with alternative sources of services. Myself I feel the Apple app store is somewhat inadequate and clumsy to use both for consumers and suppliers. Me and some others around me have this view that it could be done better. Especially the process of publishing your work. It remains a bumpy ride as there is no incentive for them to spend on improving it, people have no other choice than doing it the way Apple dictates, no alternatives. Even as consumer navigating the store it feels pretty much directed into a particular direction others want us to go. Hopefully those not thinking about using alternative choices will benefit too from the opening up of the infrastructure.
spacexsucks 5y ago
The answer is not to use wechat. Not to force everyone else in a restricted liberties situation.
- IshKebab 5y ago
  That's like saying "the answer is not to use Android or Apple". Pretty naive.
  - spacexsucks 5y ago
    I dont use android and apple. There are alternatives.

Apocryphon 5y ago

I don’t see the other giants being sufficiently motivated to, nor having the ability to execute, lasting competitive 3rd party app stores. Maybe if it was a decade ago. It not that they don’t have the resources or technical capabilities to it, but I don’t think they have the product ability to excel on the platform of a competitor, in this case Apple. And consumers are just sick of having to manage more accounts. They’re not going to have the patience to let iOS fragmemt like the streaming space has. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808926

mihaaly 5y ago

I believe it is more like having an option. Having more freedeom. And as with other aspects of life freedom comes with increased responsibility. Those want things to be curated for and told to them, and - hopefully - remain on the 'safe' side, with the added convenience that others - hopefuly - doing a good job in elminating risks, doing this hard task for them for their convenience, could still stick to Apple's services. But I assume even those will benefit if Apple has to compete with alternative sources of services. Myself I feel the Apple app store is somewhat inadequate and clumsy to use both for consumers and suppliers. Me and some others around me have this view that it could be done better. Especially the process of publishing your work. It remains a bumpy ride as there is no incentive for them to spend on improving it, people have no other choice than doing it the way Apple dictates, no alternatives. Even as consumer navigating the store it feels pretty much directed into a particular direction others want us to go. Hopefully those not thinking about using alternative choices will benefit too from the opening up of the infrastructure.

spacexsucks 5y ago

The answer is not to use wechat. Not to force everyone else in a restricted liberties situation.

IshKebab 5y ago
That's like saying "the answer is not to use Android or Apple". Pretty naive.
- spacexsucks 5y ago
  I dont use android and apple. There are alternatives.