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The article skips over the obvious downsides of this sort of motor design, which are: - It requires a high volume of rare earth magnets to get good performance
by jbay808 5y ago
The article skips over the obvious downsides of this sort of motor design, which are:
- It requires a high volume of rare earth magnets to get good performance. They should be comparing against similar motors with rare earth magnets and integrated drives, which will tend to be very high efficiency and power-dense machines, rather than low cost induction motors.
- Copper losses will be high because you typically can't get as good of a fill factor with PCB traces as with wound copper, so the phase resistance will be high, which impacts the efficiency
- PCBs are also not especially cheap at the large sizes, layer counts, and specialty copper weights demanded. At scale it may be better to just automate a high performance epoxied winding.
- The axial flux design scales somewhat awkwardly. At the inner radius (near the axis of rotation), the surface speed of the rotor is quite low, as is the developed torque from magnetic pressure, so most of the power is generated by the material near the outer radius. At the outer radius, the magnetic flux return path through the rotor backiron is quite long, and the magnetic pole faces are very broad, requiring the backiron to be quite thick. The centrifugal forces also get large there. The inner radius wants to be a high-speed, low-pole-count motor while the outer radius wants to be a low-speed, high-pole-count motor.
- Despite the claims about easy cooling, it doesn't seem nearly as easy to cool the stator as with a conventional motor that has the windings coupled to the outside stator where heat can be directly coupled to the environment.
- The front and back rotor sections have a very strong static magnetic attraction to each other (they want to clamp down on the PCB), which requires a fairly robust structure to resist.
- melony 5y agoUse gold instead of copper?
- jbay808 5y agoSilver, you mean? That's an option, but now we're getting pretty exotic...
- nine_k 5y agoSilver may even be okay from the cost perspective, but it's much harder to chemically etch.
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- raverbashing 5y agoThe PCBs are pre-covered with copper and the etching is done with a copper-corrosive material Not sure if it exists a similar process for gold
- denton-scratch 5y agoPresumably you can etch gold using aqua regia. Not sure what you might use for the resist, though.
- qwezxcrty 5y agoGold can be readily etched with some iodine chemistry. But in this application, it's going to be hard to justify the higher cost.
- escape_goat 5y agoIs this a running theme with IEEE articles? Do they tend to run along the lines of the University press release to science journalism content mill, feeding a presumptively educated audience gee whiz material outside the compass of their actual specialization, or do they tend to address actual engineering considerations a little more directly?
- TD-Linux 5y agoThis is specifically IEEE Spectrum, and yes it is part for the course for Spectrum articles.
- plorg 5y agoThey do tend to be pretty credulous. This one, in particular, is written by a guy running a company selling this technology.
- amelius 5y agoSomeone writing about stuff they sell makes it less credible, imho.
- Bangarangbanger 5y agocredulous, as per Google, means "having or showing too great a readiness to believe things."
- amelius 5y agoFixed.
- baybal2 5y ago[dead]