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While Portugal has one of the lowest average salaries in Europe, it’s still EUR 1100 Net. That’s not the same as USD 350. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of

While Portugal has one of the lowest average salaries in Europe, it’s still EUR 1100 Net. That’s not the same as USD 350. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...

pjmlp 5y ago
If you are lucky enough to have an university degree.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  If you don’t mean ‘average’ maybe use some other measure.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    I do mean the average know to most Portuguese folks, not numbers that fit the agenda of Apple sales people. And I bet most fellow country folks won't contradict me.
    - sgjohnson 5y ago
      What’s the point you’re trying to make? Poor people can’t afford bleeding edge tech out of one month’s salary? Apple doesn’t care, and they have never cared about this. There’s no profit in making ultra affordable state of the art electronics.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Exactly, Apple fanboys should stop selling M1 as the solution of all computing problems.
        aenis 5y ago
        Not sure if anyone made that claim in this thread. It is however true that "an average person in portugal" can get around 1.5 mac mini m1 and not 0.5 as you claimed. Given that a computer may easily last someone 10 years of usage, and that its a tool people use to earn money, it does not seem relatively expensive.
        sgjohnson 5y ago
        10 years isn’t even a stretch. My Mid-2015 15” MBP is still going strong. It’s had 2 battery replacements (which is fairly reasonable considering it’s been 7 years), but I still use it from time to time.
        sgjohnson 5y ago
        No. The M1 MacBooks are excellent price/performance, and more importantly, they are pretty cheap for what they are. You cannot ask for a good ARM laptop, and then when people suggest a M1 MacBook which costs under $1000, and can often be found on sale for even less suddenly say “It’s expensive and poor people cannot afford it”. It doesn’t matter.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      The median income in Portugal is less than the mean, but the difference is less than 20%. That still puts an M1 under a month's salary.
- kergonath 5y ago
  What’s your point exactly? Portugal’s average wage is nowhere near $350, regardless of where you want to move the goalposts next. It invalidates your assertion that the average worker need 2 months to get a Mac Mini. Note that nobody said they were free, or a miracle cure to anything. Just that they were an example of ARM computers targeted at consumers that one could get from Best Buy.

pjmlp 5y ago

If you are lucky enough to have an university degree.

lostlogin 5y ago
If you don’t mean ‘average’ maybe use some other measure.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  I do mean the average know to most Portuguese folks, not numbers that fit the agenda of Apple sales people. And I bet most fellow country folks won't contradict me.
  - sgjohnson 5y ago
    What’s the point you’re trying to make? Poor people can’t afford bleeding edge tech out of one month’s salary? Apple doesn’t care, and they have never cared about this. There’s no profit in making ultra affordable state of the art electronics.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Exactly, Apple fanboys should stop selling M1 as the solution of all computing problems.
      - aenis 5y ago
        Not sure if anyone made that claim in this thread. It is however true that "an average person in portugal" can get around 1.5 mac mini m1 and not 0.5 as you claimed. Given that a computer may easily last someone 10 years of usage, and that its a tool people use to earn money, it does not seem relatively expensive.
        sgjohnson 5y ago
        10 years isn’t even a stretch. My Mid-2015 15” MBP is still going strong. It’s had 2 battery replacements (which is fairly reasonable considering it’s been 7 years), but I still use it from time to time.
      - sgjohnson 5y ago
        No. The M1 MacBooks are excellent price/performance, and more importantly, they are pretty cheap for what they are. You cannot ask for a good ARM laptop, and then when people suggest a M1 MacBook which costs under $1000, and can often be found on sale for even less suddenly say “It’s expensive and poor people cannot afford it”. It doesn’t matter.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    The median income in Portugal is less than the mean, but the difference is less than 20%. That still puts an M1 under a month's salary.
kergonath 5y ago
What’s your point exactly? Portugal’s average wage is nowhere near $350, regardless of where you want to move the goalposts next. It invalidates your assertion that the average worker need 2 months to get a Mac Mini. Note that nobody said they were free, or a miracle cure to anything. Just that they were an example of ARM computers targeted at consumers that one could get from Best Buy.