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Let's assume Russia indeed felt threaten by NATO and US and it somehow justifies taking a military action against. Then why Putin instead of dealing with NATO a

Let's assume Russia indeed felt threaten by NATO and US and it somehow justifies taking a military action against. Then why Putin instead of dealing with NATO and US bombs women and children of Ukraine? Sieges and shells Mariupol for a month so people have to dig graves right in the yards of residential buildings and along the streets?

ashtonkem 5y ago
Also, if it’s really about NATO, why all the nonsense about “denazification” and the existence of Ukraine being a mistake that Lenin made?
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- ARandomerDude 5y ago
  Politicians face three major problems with big decisions like war: 1. What should I do? 2. How do I sell it to the people at home? 3. How do I sell it to the rest of the world? I think that accounts for why some correctly observe Putin claimed Ukraine needed to be "liberated" from all the Nazis (#2 above). It's also why Russia has said repeatedly that NATO caused the war (#3 above). As for the actual cause (#1 above), like all wars, there are probably multiple factors, like: 1. Former KGB Putin and plenty of others longing for the "glory days" of the USSR. 2. A desire to stop NATO expansion by intimidating anyone else who might want in. 3. Removing the Zolynksy government and replacing with a pro-Russia government. 4. Solidifying access to the Black Sea and claims to Crimea. ... ETA: also remember, if news reports are accurate, Putin thought this war would be a 5-minute cakewalk. I suspect Russia might not have invaded if they knew the cost in lives and dollars this war would bring.
  - heavenlyblue 5y ago
    > news reports are accurate How can they be? They can’t go into Putin’s head
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Because Russia can't wage a par purely based on what's in Putin's head. The assumptions and beliefs of any given leader ends up encoded in both internal policy memos, and in the observed strategic decisions made by the various agencies tasked with executing on said leader's goals. Both are places where external observers can infer what is going on in the upper levels of the government.
- etotolkoya 5y ago
etotolkoya 5y ago
- krisoft 5y ago
  > Do you think it is possible in a war not to respond if you are being fired in from inhabited areas? Yes. I believe it is possible to pack up and go home. The Russian invaders path is open and clear for that.
- BLKNSLVR 5y ago
  Was Ukraine invading Russia from inside civilian inhabited address of Mariupol?

ashtonkem 5y ago

Also, if it’s really about NATO, why all the nonsense about “denazification” and the existence of Ukraine being a mistake that Lenin made?

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ARandomerDude 5y ago
Politicians face three major problems with big decisions like war: 1. What should I do? 2. How do I sell it to the people at home? 3. How do I sell it to the rest of the world? I think that accounts for why some correctly observe Putin claimed Ukraine needed to be "liberated" from all the Nazis (#2 above). It's also why Russia has said repeatedly that NATO caused the war (#3 above). As for the actual cause (#1 above), like all wars, there are probably multiple factors, like: 1. Former KGB Putin and plenty of others longing for the "glory days" of the USSR. 2. A desire to stop NATO expansion by intimidating anyone else who might want in. 3. Removing the Zolynksy government and replacing with a pro-Russia government. 4. Solidifying access to the Black Sea and claims to Crimea. ... ETA: also remember, if news reports are accurate, Putin thought this war would be a 5-minute cakewalk. I suspect Russia might not have invaded if they knew the cost in lives and dollars this war would bring.
- heavenlyblue 5y ago
  > news reports are accurate How can they be? They can’t go into Putin’s head
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    Because Russia can't wage a par purely based on what's in Putin's head. The assumptions and beliefs of any given leader ends up encoded in both internal policy memos, and in the observed strategic decisions made by the various agencies tasked with executing on said leader's goals. Both are places where external observers can infer what is going on in the upper levels of the government.
etotolkoya 5y ago

etotolkoya 5y ago

krisoft 5y ago
> Do you think it is possible in a war not to respond if you are being fired in from inhabited areas? Yes. I believe it is possible to pack up and go home. The Russian invaders path is open and clear for that.
BLKNSLVR 5y ago
Was Ukraine invading Russia from inside civilian inhabited address of Mariupol?