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Tangent I wonder what happens to most people when they see innovation such as this. Over the years I have seen numerous mind-blowing AI achievement, which esse

Tangent I wonder what happens to most people when they see innovation such as this. Over the years I have seen numerous mind-blowing AI achievement, which essentially feel like miracles. Yet literally after an hour I forget what I even saw. I don't find these innovations to have a lasting impression on me or on the internet except for the times when these solutions are released to the public for tinkering and they end up failing catastrophically. I remember having the same feeling about chatbots and TTS technology literally ages ago, but at present time, the practical use of these innovation feel very mediocre.

fleischhauf 5y ago
I have the impression, that now some of them seem to really end up in some practical applications. Funnily enough someone just today showed me a feature of his phone where you can select some undesired objects in youe photo and it would just replace them with a fitting background indistinguishable from the original photo.
- Groxx 5y ago
  It's rather entertaining when this happens in the opposite direction automatically too: https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476351601862483968 https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476351601862483968
  - Kerrick 5y ago
    The followup on that is... it didn't happen. There was a leaf in the foreground, and the depth of field in the photo was large enough that it was in focus rather than blurring. https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476951534160257026 https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476951534160257026
  - efraim 5y ago
    In a follow up tweet it looks like there was a leaf on a tree in the foreground that obscured her face, not an AI replacement.
  - amelius 5y ago
    It was already debunked. If you scroll down in that Twitter thread, you read: > Big news! I sent @sdw the original image. He theorized a leaf from a foreground tree obscured the face. I didn’t think anything was in view, and the closest tree is a Japanese Maple (smaller leaves). But he’s right! Here’s a video I just shot, showing the parallax. Wow!
    - Groxx 5y ago
      Aw. But I guess it's better than too-fancy AI in the phone :) TIL though, thank you!
- hackernewds 5y ago
  Magic eraser on Pixel?
tomatowurst 5y ago
hmmm I really find this to be different from chatbots, in fact it took me a lot of skepticism to overcome before using github copilot and I saw a new reality where it became part of the process, albeit, not as prolific but enough to make me ponder what the next evolution might be. For 3D modelers, this is huge since it takes a lot of experience and grunt work to put the right touches to get an even a boilerplate 3D model. So much so that many game companies have outsourced non-human 3d modeling, this would certainly impact those markets. 1) It could further lower the cost and improve quality. 2) Studios could move back those time-consuming tasks on-shore and put an experienced in house artist/modeler to manage the production. 3) Hybrid of both What I see here is that NeRF has a far more impact to the 3d modeling/animating industry than github copilot. Another certainty is that we are going to see faster rate innovation. We are at a point where a paper released merely months ago are being completely outpaced by another. The improvement in training time that NeRF offers is insane, especially given how quickly this new approach came out. We could be at a future where the release of AI achievements will not be able to keep up with published works. It would be as fast as somebody tweeting a new technique, only to be outdone by somebody weeks or possibly days. Truly exciting times.
rilezg 5y ago
I think with any tech demo (or other corporate PR piece), it is good to assume the worst, because companies spin things to be as ducky as possible. This is a self-reinforcing cycle, because if two companies have identical products, then the best liar--er, marketer--will win. (not to say this sort of behavior is exclusive to corporate PR. as the best and smartest person ever, I would never need to exaggerate my achievements on a job application, but others may)
TulliusCicero 5y ago
The problem is that when the thing is initially announced, it's not useful to anyone yet, because it's not productionized and released to the general public. But then once it IS released to the general public, it's probably been at least several months, maybe even multiple years since the announcement, so people are like, "yawn, this is old news."
kderbyma 5y ago
just like most education is useless and mostly forgotten. Only when we can apply it will it be meaningful
vmception 5y ago
I immediately think of profitable applications Another comment mentioned education: I take classes, formal education, for things that are immediately applicable for me right at the time So its pretty consistent for me Another thing that might be different is that I don't go for perfect or good enough, or worry that an existing alternative like "having an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem" might already exist, I just go for novelty and am selling to people that also like novelty
astrange 5y ago
TTS is extremely useful - many people use car nav, TikTok, screen readers, etc even if they don't like voice assistants. Neural TTS is so good now it's being used to fake the original voice actors in video game mods.
- hackernewds 5y ago
  besides being very helpful for edge case uses such as for differently abled people (maybe this is subjective) but I don't find any of these to be exciting or mundane life quality improvements at all for the general population.
shultays 5y ago
I would love to see this being popular in VR. I enjoy google earth in VR way too much (it is just 360 photos) and there are some 3d real scenes you can walk in

fleischhauf 5y ago

I have the impression, that now some of them seem to really end up in some practical applications. Funnily enough someone just today showed me a feature of his phone where you can select some undesired objects in youe photo and it would just replace them with a fitting background indistinguishable from the original photo.

Groxx 5y ago
It's rather entertaining when this happens in the opposite direction automatically too: https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476351601862483968 https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476351601862483968
- Kerrick 5y ago
  The followup on that is... it didn't happen. There was a leaf in the foreground, and the depth of field in the photo was large enough that it was in focus rather than blurring. https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476951534160257026 https://twitter.com/mitchcohen/status/1476951534160257026
- efraim 5y ago
  In a follow up tweet it looks like there was a leaf on a tree in the foreground that obscured her face, not an AI replacement.
- amelius 5y ago
  It was already debunked. If you scroll down in that Twitter thread, you read: > Big news! I sent @sdw the original image. He theorized a leaf from a foreground tree obscured the face. I didn’t think anything was in view, and the closest tree is a Japanese Maple (smaller leaves). But he’s right! Here’s a video I just shot, showing the parallax. Wow!
  - Groxx 5y ago
    Aw. But I guess it's better than too-fancy AI in the phone :) TIL though, thank you!
hackernewds 5y ago
Magic eraser on Pixel?

tomatowurst 5y ago

hmmm I really find this to be different from chatbots, in fact it took me a lot of skepticism to overcome before using github copilot and I saw a new reality where it became part of the process, albeit, not as prolific but enough to make me ponder what the next evolution might be. For 3D modelers, this is huge since it takes a lot of experience and grunt work to put the right touches to get an even a boilerplate 3D model. So much so that many game companies have outsourced non-human 3d modeling, this would certainly impact those markets. 1) It could further lower the cost and improve quality. 2) Studios could move back those time-consuming tasks on-shore and put an experienced in house artist/modeler to manage the production. 3) Hybrid of both What I see here is that NeRF has a far more impact to the 3d modeling/animating industry than github copilot. Another certainty is that we are going to see faster rate innovation. We are at a point where a paper released merely months ago are being completely outpaced by another. The improvement in training time that NeRF offers is insane, especially given how quickly this new approach came out. We could be at a future where the release of AI achievements will not be able to keep up with published works. It would be as fast as somebody tweeting a new technique, only to be outdone by somebody weeks or possibly days. Truly exciting times.

rilezg 5y ago

I think with any tech demo (or other corporate PR piece), it is good to assume the worst, because companies spin things to be as ducky as possible. This is a self-reinforcing cycle, because if two companies have identical products, then the best liar--er, marketer--will win. (not to say this sort of behavior is exclusive to corporate PR. as the best and smartest person ever, I would never need to exaggerate my achievements on a job application, but others may)

TulliusCicero 5y ago

The problem is that when the thing is initially announced, it's not useful to anyone yet, because it's not productionized and released to the general public. But then once it IS released to the general public, it's probably been at least several months, maybe even multiple years since the announcement, so people are like, "yawn, this is old news."

kderbyma 5y ago

just like most education is useless and mostly forgotten. Only when we can apply it will it be meaningful

vmception 5y ago

I immediately think of profitable applications Another comment mentioned education: I take classes, formal education, for things that are immediately applicable for me right at the time So its pretty consistent for me Another thing that might be different is that I don't go for perfect or good enough, or worry that an existing alternative like "having an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem" might already exist, I just go for novelty and am selling to people that also like novelty

astrange 5y ago

TTS is extremely useful - many people use car nav, TikTok, screen readers, etc even if they don't like voice assistants. Neural TTS is so good now it's being used to fake the original voice actors in video game mods.

hackernewds 5y ago
besides being very helpful for edge case uses such as for differently abled people (maybe this is subjective) but I don't find any of these to be exciting or mundane life quality improvements at all for the general population.

shultays 5y ago

I would love to see this being popular in VR. I enjoy google earth in VR way too much (it is just 360 photos) and there are some 3d real scenes you can walk in