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Theoretically speaking, atheism and agnosticism are the same argument, the former following from the latter in any kind of rigorous formalism. I've always found
by jandrewrogers 5y ago
Theoretically speaking, atheism and agnosticism are the same argument, the former following from the latter in any kind of rigorous formalism. I've always found it odd that anyone could be agnostic but reject the mathematical implications of that assertion. Atheism is a rational operational assumption conditional on an agnostic belief and nothing more. Agnosticism and atheism share the same axioms -- I treat them as equivalent.
The assertion that atheists claim to know the unknowable is baseless. We have mathematical theorems for optimally reasoning about the unknowable, the implications of which look a lot like atheism. Not following through on the implications of those theorems is willful ignorance.
I reject any argument that tries to treat agnosticism as distinct from atheism, insofar as it tacitly rejects mathematics that show their equivalence.
- Maursault 5y ago> atheism and agnosticism are the same argument Atheism is the belief in the absence of God. Agnosticism is an admission of lack of knowledge of God existence, neither affirmed nor denied. Thus, claiming they are the same is false equivalence.
- orwin 5y agoIf you reason logically from an agnostic position, you are effectively atheist until proven otherwise. That's probably the correct stance, as you don't really need any gods to live your life nowadays, and pondering upon his existence, while fun, does not serve any point.
- Maursault 5y agoAgnosticism is not atheism, atheism is not agnosticism. The notion is absurd. False equivalence.
- jandrewrogers 5y ago"I define it thus" is not an actual argument. You have made no attempt to defend your assertion.