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If you're Apple and you make your desktop more attractive and pleasant you drive sales and market share. If you're redhat and you resource that you drive market

by harry8 5y ago

If you're Apple and you make your desktop more attractive and pleasant you drive sales and market share. If you're redhat and you resource that you drive market share, to Ubuntu, who I believe still have a policy of never paying for development except for Ubuntu things, eg their failed desktop nobody else would use, Mir, bzr, etc. Is that still the case? It would be a huge disincentive for other distros to contribute to the commons when ubuntu just parasite from it to a big market share.

simion314 5y ago
>If you're redhat and you resource that you drive market share, to Ubuntu, who I believe still have a policy of never paying for development except for Ubuntu things, eg their failed desktop nobody else would use, Mir, bzr, etc. Fact check, Gnome was filled of memory leaks and performance issues until some competent Canonical developer started working back on GNOME and fixing them. So while Ubunut was not using GNOME the RH could have safely put their money into GNOME and it would not have benefited Canonical but the reality is that Canonical had to pay competent people to fix GNOME bugs, but probably Canonical can't change the desinger dictator so they usewd for a while a fixed theme and not the shity GNOME default. I disconnected myself from Linux news so I don't know what drama happened in latest 2-3 years.
- harry8 5y ago
  Who? When? What? They hired Henstridge to work on nothing to do with gnome? Redhat hired a bunch of core gnome devs to work on gnome? No? Happy to find out I'm wrong if there are facts involved...
  - simion314 5y ago
    Are you new to GNOME? this is a few years old when Canonical dropped Unity. What was happening was that each GNOME release fixed some memory leaks but create a few new ones, the lag was terrible and when Canonical moved back to GNOME a Canonical developer started fixing stuff, GNOME devs were blaming the hardware for the bugs or were busy with removing features. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/ubuntu-improves-gnome-shell-performance https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/ubuntu-improves-gnome-sh... you can google the dev "Daniel Van Vugt" and check his work on GNOME, or you can google "GNOME shell memory leak" , as I said I stopped following Linux stuff (I am still a Linux users) and I have no idea what happened in recent years except the major things like GNOME's reset triggering a new fracture in it's community. Anway, Canonical was not using GNOME so RH did not avoided paying for better developers because Canonical would benefit. Later when Canonical decided to use GNOME they fixed the major performance issues and memory leaks and put back some of the features the users wanted but designers refused to provide.
michaelmrose 5y ago
You may want to ask yourself why Red Hat despite having a lot more money and investing some of it in desktop Linux still has a fraction of the market share of Ubuntu. They are in a great position to dominate that market. Instead we get a very rapid iteration with a 6 month release cycle that continually pulls in new tech prior to it actually being ready while it still has massive issues with end user experience including but certainly not limited to gnome 3, pulseaudio, gnome 3, wayland by default in 2016 which is now 6 years later supposedly almost fully ready for prime time. My experience running Fedora for 7 years is that each release was a chance to play with new tech and fix new broken things. In place upgrades were also extremely dicey making a fresh install of the new version necessary every 6-9 months. This is great for a toy less great great for something you intend to use. I'm sure current proponents say its great now but they literally have been saying the same thing forever.

by harry8 5y ago

simion314 5y ago

>If you're redhat and you resource that you drive market share, to Ubuntu, who I believe still have a policy of never paying for development except for Ubuntu things, eg their failed desktop nobody else would use, Mir, bzr, etc. Fact check, Gnome was filled of memory leaks and performance issues until some competent Canonical developer started working back on GNOME and fixing them. So while Ubunut was not using GNOME the RH could have safely put their money into GNOME and it would not have benefited Canonical but the reality is that Canonical had to pay competent people to fix GNOME bugs, but probably Canonical can't change the desinger dictator so they usewd for a while a fixed theme and not the shity GNOME default. I disconnected myself from Linux news so I don't know what drama happened in latest 2-3 years.

harry8 5y ago
Who? When? What? They hired Henstridge to work on nothing to do with gnome? Redhat hired a bunch of core gnome devs to work on gnome? No? Happy to find out I'm wrong if there are facts involved...
- simion314 5y ago
  Are you new to GNOME? this is a few years old when Canonical dropped Unity. What was happening was that each GNOME release fixed some memory leaks but create a few new ones, the lag was terrible and when Canonical moved back to GNOME a Canonical developer started fixing stuff, GNOME devs were blaming the hardware for the bugs or were busy with removing features. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/ubuntu-improves-gnome-shell-performance https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/ubuntu-improves-gnome-sh... you can google the dev "Daniel Van Vugt" and check his work on GNOME, or you can google "GNOME shell memory leak" , as I said I stopped following Linux stuff (I am still a Linux users) and I have no idea what happened in recent years except the major things like GNOME's reset triggering a new fracture in it's community. Anway, Canonical was not using GNOME so RH did not avoided paying for better developers because Canonical would benefit. Later when Canonical decided to use GNOME they fixed the major performance issues and memory leaks and put back some of the features the users wanted but designers refused to provide.

michaelmrose 5y ago

You may want to ask yourself why Red Hat despite having a lot more money and investing some of it in desktop Linux still has a fraction of the market share of Ubuntu. They are in a great position to dominate that market. Instead we get a very rapid iteration with a 6 month release cycle that continually pulls in new tech prior to it actually being ready while it still has massive issues with end user experience including but certainly not limited to gnome 3, pulseaudio, gnome 3, wayland by default in 2016 which is now 6 years later supposedly almost fully ready for prime time. My experience running Fedora for 7 years is that each release was a chance to play with new tech and fix new broken things. In place upgrades were also extremely dicey making a fresh install of the new version necessary every 6-9 months. This is great for a toy less great great for something you intend to use. I'm sure current proponents say its great now but they literally have been saying the same thing forever.