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>If you want to have some fun at the expense of business in the short term, intentionally take your service offline periodically in order to mess up attempts to

>If you want to have some fun at the expense of business in the short term, intentionally take your service offline periodically in order to mess up attempts to match your downtime with public information Wow, I would have never thought about that to use public-downtime to find/match your service.

globular-toast 5y ago
Check out the ways people have tried to identify Satoshi Nakamoto to learn more about this and other ways you leak information.
- Daffodils 5y ago
  Where can I find more about this?
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    just google "how did satoshi stay anonymous" and you should find tons of info. it was pretty well known and widely discussed.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      FWIW we don’t know if Satoshi remained anonymous. We just know that he wasn’t conclusively identified by relatively unsophisticated internet commenters and journalists. OTOH there were many times when Satoshi connected to IRC with non-Tor residential IPs, it’s possible that deanonymization was just one subpoena away.
      - bduerst 5y ago
        Yep, it's survivor bias to assume Satoshi's methods were effective, because he could be incarcerated or kidnapped or traced with his methods and it would not be general knowledge.
      - philwelch 5y ago
        The next question is, what does it mean that no state-level actors publicly identified Satoshi either?
        cosentiyes 5y ago
        That he declared his taxes appropriately?
        philwelch 5y ago
        No, that either they didn’t identify him as a threat, or that he was a fed all along (in which case, fair enough, the feds also invented Tor, they do cool shit occasionally).
        rosndo 5y ago
        Or even if they did identify him as a threat, they could’ve kept the information to themselves for leverage. There is literally zero information you could extract from this besides the fact that he probably didn’t do anything indictment-worthy.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Ooops, missed your post, gonna leave mine tho I guess.
csunbird 5y ago
It is also a fantastic way of knowing where the owner of the site lives and their daily routines. For example, if the site owner is doing maintenance 03:00 GMT, they probably are in Europe. If they are active during only evenings in Americas, they probably live in somewhere in America and has a day job or they study. So, activity hours and maintenance hours can be used to pinpoint the timezone of the owner and their daily habits. Randomizing every bit of information is important.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > So, activity hours and maintenance hours can be used to pinpoint the timezone of the owner and their daily habits. Randomizing every bit of information is important. Or injecting disinformation: pick a misleading timezone, and only connect at times compatible with that timezone (e.g. 03:00 GMT is 11PM EST). Though that might not be compatible with making all your connections from unconnected locations (not many coffee shops/libraries are open that late).
  - csunbird 5y ago
    consistent disinformation is also information. doing it random intervals is way to go.
- nanliu 5y ago
  Basically the plot of “death note” and how detective L pinpointed Japan as the location.
praptak 5y ago
Speaking of time-matching you should also avoid starting a publicly observable spike in Tor-related activity just before the date your new Darknet service goes online.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
I think Satoshi did this. His hours were kind of unpredictable. Wonder if he was just an insomniac or trying to be time agnostic for security or both?
- Melatonic 5y ago
  Do we have enough info to even pinpoint this type of data to him (or her) ? I was under the impression the links were nebulous at best. But I do not know that much about Satoshi
  - vdfs 5y ago
    This suggest the opposite of what OP said https://chainbulletin.com/satoshi-nakamoto-lived-in-london-while-working-on-bitcoin-heres-how-we-know/ https://chainbulletin.com/satoshi-nakamoto-lived-in-london-w... also https://medium.com/@insearchofsatoshi/the-time-zones-of-satoshi-nakamoto-aa40f035178f https://medium.com/@insearchofsatoshi/the-time-zones-of-sato... Googling "satoshi time zone" give a lot resources

globular-toast 5y ago

Check out the ways people have tried to identify Satoshi Nakamoto to learn more about this and other ways you leak information.

Daffodils 5y ago
Where can I find more about this?
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  just google "how did satoshi stay anonymous" and you should find tons of info. it was pretty well known and widely discussed.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    FWIW we don’t know if Satoshi remained anonymous. We just know that he wasn’t conclusively identified by relatively unsophisticated internet commenters and journalists. OTOH there were many times when Satoshi connected to IRC with non-Tor residential IPs, it’s possible that deanonymization was just one subpoena away.
    - bduerst 5y ago
      Yep, it's survivor bias to assume Satoshi's methods were effective, because he could be incarcerated or kidnapped or traced with his methods and it would not be general knowledge.
    - philwelch 5y ago
      The next question is, what does it mean that no state-level actors publicly identified Satoshi either?
      - cosentiyes 5y ago
        That he declared his taxes appropriately?
        philwelch 5y ago
        No, that either they didn’t identify him as a threat, or that he was a fed all along (in which case, fair enough, the feds also invented Tor, they do cool shit occasionally).
        rosndo 5y ago
        Or even if they did identify him as a threat, they could’ve kept the information to themselves for leverage. There is literally zero information you could extract from this besides the fact that he probably didn’t do anything indictment-worthy.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Ooops, missed your post, gonna leave mine tho I guess.

csunbird 5y ago

It is also a fantastic way of knowing where the owner of the site lives and their daily routines. For example, if the site owner is doing maintenance 03:00 GMT, they probably are in Europe. If they are active during only evenings in Americas, they probably live in somewhere in America and has a day job or they study. So, activity hours and maintenance hours can be used to pinpoint the timezone of the owner and their daily habits. Randomizing every bit of information is important.

tablespoon 5y ago
> So, activity hours and maintenance hours can be used to pinpoint the timezone of the owner and their daily habits. Randomizing every bit of information is important. Or injecting disinformation: pick a misleading timezone, and only connect at times compatible with that timezone (e.g. 03:00 GMT is 11PM EST). Though that might not be compatible with making all your connections from unconnected locations (not many coffee shops/libraries are open that late).
- csunbird 5y ago
  consistent disinformation is also information. doing it random intervals is way to go.
nanliu 5y ago
Basically the plot of “death note” and how detective L pinpointed Japan as the location.

praptak 5y ago

Speaking of time-matching you should also avoid starting a publicly observable spike in Tor-related activity just before the date your new Darknet service goes online.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

I think Satoshi did this. His hours were kind of unpredictable. Wonder if he was just an insomniac or trying to be time agnostic for security or both?

Melatonic 5y ago
Do we have enough info to even pinpoint this type of data to him (or her) ? I was under the impression the links were nebulous at best. But I do not know that much about Satoshi
- vdfs 5y ago
  This suggest the opposite of what OP said https://chainbulletin.com/satoshi-nakamoto-lived-in-london-while-working-on-bitcoin-heres-how-we-know/ https://chainbulletin.com/satoshi-nakamoto-lived-in-london-w... also https://medium.com/@insearchofsatoshi/the-time-zones-of-satoshi-nakamoto-aa40f035178f https://medium.com/@insearchofsatoshi/the-time-zones-of-sato... Googling "satoshi time zone" give a lot resources